tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post2727650850091304417..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Chris Mooney's latest bad ideaDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-57372415624327290322009-11-20T05:41:32.510-08:002009-11-20T05:41:32.510-08:00Cool story as for me. I'd like to read a bit m...Cool story as for me. I'd like to read a bit more concerning this topic.<br />BTW look at the design I've made myself <a href="http://www.admirableescorts.com/overnight_escorts_london.html" rel="nofollow">Overnight escorts</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-77786291987281044442009-07-28T15:40:08.470-07:002009-07-28T15:40:08.470-07:00@ Dano :
Sorry , I see it's David Appell whos...@ Dano :<br /> Sorry , I see it's David Appell whose a PhD .<br /><br />@ Hank Roberts :<br /> Thanks for the links . <br /><br />The William P. Lowry article starts off correctly , but not having any of that government or exxon money , I'm loath to drop $14 just to see if and where we diverge . I was going to contact him but unfortunately he died in '98 . <br /><br />Kasting's paper seems based on theory presented in an earlier one . <br /><br />I'm working on implementing the Planck equation so I can replace the scalar absorptivity/emissivity parameter in my SB/K implementation with spectra .<br /><br />And updating salient pages of http://CoSy.com<br /><br />Thanks again for the feedback .Bob Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517889718518675999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-66981076020812067522009-07-23T14:07:36.353-07:002009-07-23T14:07:36.353-07:00ah.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1934307ah.<br />http://www.jstor.org/pss/1934307Hank Robertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-28587386360091371832009-07-23T12:56:24.750-07:002009-07-23T12:56:24.750-07:00I knew this sounded familiar.
http://www.geosc.psu...I knew this sounded familiar.<br />http://www.geosc.psu.edu/~kasting/Meteo_466/Readings/Icarus_88.pdfHnak Robertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-82407737844979533662009-07-23T12:34:50.053-07:002009-07-23T12:34:50.053-07:00> CoSy
What is this "specturm" of wh...> CoSy<br /><br />What is this "specturm" of which he speaks?Hank Robertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-71215315894568693182009-07-23T10:38:16.366-07:002009-07-23T10:38:16.366-07:00I'm not a PhD professor. This fact doesn't...I'm not a PhD professor. This fact doesn't prevent me from chuckling at your assertion (altho the fact I'm an amateur astronomer helps), and I await your paper overturning planetary science. Let us know when the manuscript is accepted and when they mention it in <i>S&T</i>.<br /><br />Although this is likely out of the purview of the new discipline/position that Mooney offers, it is certainly indicative of the level of understanding and how the discourse needs to be elevated, and how a go-between can clarify such matters.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-48919326720028780862009-07-23T10:23:18.014-07:002009-07-23T10:23:18.014-07:00You're the PhD professor . Show me the equatio...You're the PhD professor . Show me the equations .<br /><br />By the implementation of Stefan-Boltzmann/Kirchhoff on my http://cosy.com/Science/TemperatureOfGrayBalls.htm , Venus is more than twice as hot as even an object , black facing the sun , white facing night , will be in that orbit . so it's radiating more than <i>2 ^ 4 = 16</i> than it's receiving .<br /><br />No , it can't be the atmosphere .Bob Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517889718518675999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-32897383297138830302009-07-23T09:33:59.724-07:002009-07-23T09:33:59.724-07:00So Venus' atm doesn't contribute to the su...So Venus' atm doesn't contribute to the surface temp then. Got it. <br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-89435077800998700742009-07-22T14:04:21.354-07:002009-07-22T14:04:21.354-07:00"Venus' atmosphere makes it more hot than..."Venus' atmosphere makes it more hot than incoming solar irradiation."<br /><br />I'll let readers judge who's making any physical sense .Bob Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517889718518675999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-9239228005484201462009-07-22T13:59:23.841-07:002009-07-22T13:59:23.841-07:00Look, one can chase around this sort of crazy-pers...Look, one can chase around this sort of crazy-person thing all day, esp the uncontextualized 'textbook' assertions. Venus' atmosphere makes it more hot than incoming solar irradiation. It's not that hard to understand. If you think you know something others don't, let us know when your manuscript gets published. And don't cite CFACT or S&B's climate "work" if you want it to get accepted.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-6013797537343432592009-07-22T13:20:47.283-07:002009-07-22T13:20:47.283-07:00You've still not answered my question .
And ...You've still not answered my question . <br /><br />And I'm not turning over anything . It's obvious what I'm saying is totally textbook . It's just that you can't apply it to the earth , or almost all of your greenhouse effects become artifacts of an incorrect equation .<br /><br />The question on Venus is super simple . Can it be as hot as it is simply on energy from the sun ?Bob Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517889718518675999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-78241392591611313822009-07-22T12:41:12.013-07:002009-07-22T12:41:12.013-07:00Wow. Your widdle web page has overturned a whole l...Wow. Your widdle web page has overturned a whole lotta physics, Galileo...er...Bob. <br /><br />One wonders why the paradigm hasn't shifted yet. Alllll those people in on the conspiracy...nonetheless, keep pounding away at those dratted scientists! When are you going to 1) tell others by publishing a new physics book and 2) receive your Nobel?<br /><br />That is: I think the frequency of appearance of your argument (or something similar) comes up by someone approximately every 13.2 months (+- 17d). <br /><br />But by golly, that's a nice web page, esp. the links to S&B and CFACT. My, my. But that's enough time spent on crackpottery. <br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-50535845630865501812009-07-22T00:42:27.992-07:002009-07-22T00:42:27.992-07:00You didn't answer my question .
It's prec...You didn't answer my question .<br /><br />It's precisely stated on my http://cosy.com/views/warm.htm which discusses the obvious error introduced last year to the equation for the temperature of the planet on Wikipedia's "Black Body" page . It adds an absorptivity of 0.7 to one side of the equation , but fails to honor Kirchhoff by adding the same term for emissivity to the other . Thus , it has earth absorbing as a gray body but emitting as a black body producing the very ubiquitous <i> 0.7 ^ 4 = .91 </i> purported temperature deficit to be filled by a <i>greenhouse effect</i> whose quantitative derivation I have never been able to find .<br /><br />Do you defend this dismissal of Kirchhoff ?<br /><br />Also , please explain the temperature of Venus .Bob Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517889718518675999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-73271431079920226662009-07-21T19:20:19.651-07:002009-07-21T19:20:19.651-07:00perhaps you could explain to us why [dim-bulbery d...<i>perhaps you could explain to us why [dim-bulbery deleted] so commonly ignore Kirchhoff's 150 year old , this year , insight that albedo does not affect the temperature of a radiantly heated ball. </i><br /><br />Zoinks! Jinkies, Scoob! that would be a powerful argument if it was based in <a href="http://cce.890m.com/solar-gcr/images/radiative-forcing.jpg" rel="nofollow">fact</a>.<br /><br />Yet another argument for better communications.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-38803185156552522972009-07-21T17:05:00.761-07:002009-07-21T17:05:00.761-07:00Seems to me Morano mainly simply links all web ite...Seems to me Morano mainly simply links all web items related to the GW controversy , pro , con or neutral . <br /><br />Certainly , while listing the unusually large number of record low temperatures occurring now days is cherry picking , it is data and is distinctly not un-scientific .<br /><br />David , given that you have a PhD in Physics , perhaps you could explain to us why alarmists so commonly ignore Kirchhoff's 150 year old , this year , insight that albedo does not affect the temperature of a radiantly heated ball . Therefore the common claim that without the "greenhouse effect" our .3 albedo earth would be ( .7 ^ 4 = .91 ) its actual near black body temperature violates classical physics . <br /><br />Also , please let your readers know that Venus's temperature cannot be due to some "runaway" effect since it is radiating 16 times as much energy as any object in its orbit could obtain from the sun .<br /><br />You denigrate us "realists" as un-scientific . Please explain these apparent scientific howlers to us .Bob Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517889718518675999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-17606710453380812772009-07-20T07:56:24.053-07:002009-07-20T07:56:24.053-07:00Cleaning up that RC Wiki would be a good job for.....Cleaning up that RC Wiki would be a good job for...a student in science communication.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-31993462882650449662009-07-20T06:03:28.272-07:002009-07-20T06:03:28.272-07:00Steve,
Yeah I'd visited the wiki before. The ...Steve,<br /><br />Yeah I'd visited the wiki before. The other I wasn't aware of. I was thinking more an anti-Climate Depot (which in itself is a more Drudge-like Icecap). Something that updates whenever a piece of pseudo-science is responded to somewhere on-line.<br /><br />There's all sorts of intelligent science types/half decent writers that respond to this stuff as it comes up (an example being the Zeeb/Zacho paper). But its hard to find them all in one spot. SOmething like that might be useful to media types.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-75948367384939581822009-07-20T00:17:37.356-07:002009-07-20T00:17:37.356-07:00Firstly, for some one so concerned about intellect...Firstly, for some one so concerned about intellectual integrity I would think you would proof your post a little better than you did and clean up all the typos. Secondly, you sound like a very religious person given the infallibility and inerrancy you bestow on science. The problem with science is that it is never final, as something will be discovered tomorrow that will undo or question something that is thought to be final today. Finally, if all the facts are on the alarmists side, why all the ad hominem attacks on realists? The only people who use ad hominem attacks are those whose arguments are weak and beggarly. Every time you engage in ad-hominem name calling you prove you have something to hide.Mark Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-35929860333076207422009-07-19T19:45:16.679-07:002009-07-19T19:45:16.679-07:00At a quick glance this new BBC site is very impres...At a quick glance this new BBC <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/bloom/" rel="nofollow">site</a> is very impressive. While focused on personal action rather than the science, it's an excellent example of how serious funding can lead to a better site.Steve Bloomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-50024706915253902009-07-19T19:06:20.171-07:002009-07-19T19:06:20.171-07:00BCL, the RC Wiki is an existing attempt to central...BCL, the <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=RC_Wiki" rel="nofollow">RC Wiki</a> is an existing attempt to centralize refutations of denialists. So far so good, but it hasn't been well-publicized and of course would benefit greatly from a paid editor.Steve Bloomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-61917650389121353042009-07-19T13:16:47.753-07:002009-07-19T13:16:47.753-07:00Michael D Smith: this is the industry-funded phone...Michael D Smith: this is the industry-funded phone campaign I talked about, you know, the one on the front page of your favorite tea-bagging exercise.<br /><br /> If the R Rep doesn't want to look at the national polling, that's his constituent's problem, and their children's problem. <br /><br />Plenty of FUD money being spent by industry to maintain their profits. Which is what Mooney is talking about.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-73965162315837748542009-07-19T11:43:16.725-07:002009-07-19T11:43:16.725-07:00I think the fact that Al Gore told CNN last year t...I think the fact that Al Gore told CNN last year that he was planning to spend $300 Million over a 3-5 year period on advertising and PR, should point up where the real money is being spent.<br /><br />If you don't like Morano because of his PR background, try: http://www.icecap.us/ http://www.friendsofscience.org/<br />http://www.climatescience.org.nz/http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/<br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/<br /><br />All of the above are run by scientists....and emotion has little to do with cooling in spite of rising CO2.<br />http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SSPI8yr.jpgJudy Crossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-18216194491223965852009-07-19T11:21:33.397-07:002009-07-19T11:21:33.397-07:00Dano - "Sure, decision-makers are finally on ...Dano - "Sure, decision-makers are finally on board and they know the facts, and see the polls that denialists are a small fraction of the population. So action is finally occurring."<br /><br />Try 19 to 1 against cap & charade:<br /><br />http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/07/on-public-reaction-to-waxman-markey.htmlMichael D Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-28534160214556944782009-07-19T10:56:44.195-07:002009-07-19T10:56:44.195-07:00The credulous rubes trying to spam the thread are...The credulous rubes trying to spam the thread are one of the main reasons we need such a position. <br /><br />Sure, decision-makers are finally on board and they know the facts, and see the polls that denialists are a small fraction of the population. So action is finally occurring. <br /><br />But we need a much better educated populace for when we start taking more action to adapt to and mitigate man-made climate change, and we don't need any more willful ignorami spamming editorial pages, blog threads, letters to editor, and industry-funded phone campaigns to Senators. These industry-funded campaigns using the ignorami slow the process and distort the feelings of the commonweal.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-82513127339170800182009-07-19T08:48:25.004-07:002009-07-19T08:48:25.004-07:00Oops, sorry to bring this up, but,
Issued by The ...Oops, sorry to bring this up, but,<br /><br />Issued by The National Weather Service<br />Nashville, TN<br />6:12 am CDT, Sun., Jul. 19, 2009<br /><br />... UNSEASONABLY COOL TEMPERATURES TODAY AND TONIGHT...<br /><br />CANADIAN HIGH PRESSURE WILL CONTINUE TO CONTROL THE WEATHER ACROSS MIDDLE TENNESSEE TODAY AND TONIGHT. CLOUDS WILL FORM TODAY AND KEEP TEMPERATURES IN CHECK. THE <b>RECORD LOW HIGH TEMPERATURE</b> AT THE NASHVILLE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT TODAY IS 79 DEGREES <b>SET IN 1897. A NEW RECORD WILL BE SET TODAY.</b><br /><br />THE RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE TONIGHT IN NASHVILLE IS 59 AND IN CROSSVILLE IS 57... SET IN 1947 AND 1970 RESPECTIVELY. <b>NEW RECORD LOWS ARE EXPECTED.</b>Squidlynoreply@blogger.com