tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post33076269833423645..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Still Blogging in a Twitter WorldDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-1941856499953470082012-11-04T18:30:35.173-08:002012-11-04T18:30:35.173-08:00Hal: The temperatures of FennoScandinavia during m...Hal: The temperatures of FennoScandinavia during medieval times tell us little of global temperature reconstructions or trends. I enjoy dominos now and then. But domino theory is not a substitute for scientific enquiry. And they make a very bad pizza.Jay Althttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146408415375034447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-31418150313551278162012-10-31T15:52:25.279-07:002012-10-31T15:52:25.279-07:00The Catholic Church was quite right in its argumen...The Catholic Church was quite right in its argument with Galileo. Unfortunately we live in a dark age where historical and theological illiterates are not only so ignorant as to believe that they actually know something, but also think they know better than the Church. May God help them.<br /><br />http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy<br />Bophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03363556780053488598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-85882771264493074742012-10-31T12:50:36.513-07:002012-10-31T12:50:36.513-07:00Mr. Appell, you are correct in pointing out that t...Mr. Appell, you are correct in pointing out that the hockey stick has been replicated. The problem is, it can be replicated with red noise (random walk) data in lieu of actual tree ring measurements. So the hockey stick is a product of some serious data molestation rather than an inherent feature in the data.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01784912083315743552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-18893905969443308502012-10-31T09:24:07.903-07:002012-10-31T09:24:07.903-07:00If Galileo was alive, he'd sue you for associa...If Galileo was alive, he'd sue you for associating him with those Penn State cats.Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12133279828547003387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-83602183584884976362012-10-31T08:45:18.562-07:002012-10-31T08:45:18.562-07:00Did Galileo sue the Catholic Church for criticizin...Did Galileo sue the Catholic Church for criticizing his science? Hm.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092102629564315845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-55068314843401005032012-10-31T08:04:44.086-07:002012-10-31T08:04:44.086-07:00David:
I didn't say he was a "fraud"...David:<br /><br />I didn't say he was a "fraud". I said his use of data has been shown to be "tarnished", i.e. wrong. As for explaining "in my own words" I'll get back to you when I have a bit more time. But the literature seems very clear to me that Mann's hockey stick is severely damaged. Halhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-45218666993776398062012-10-31T06:42:54.438-07:002012-10-31T06:42:54.438-07:00There are many dissenting opinions in the scientif...There are many dissenting opinions in the scientific community concerning anthropogenic climate change, that all have one thing in common: their opinions aren't subsidized. <br /><br />Pouring money into research that will only continue if the results are positive will result in more positive results, and the applause of others in the same racket.Jackwagonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12345226333030335583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-85365092621486305272012-10-31T04:42:17.527-07:002012-10-31T04:42:17.527-07:00Whoops, it seems like David Appell has bitten off ...Whoops, it seems like David Appell has bitten off more than he can chew!<br /><br />Criticising appeals to authority when an appeal has actually been made to data and evidence and then basing your own argument on a blatant appeal to authority is hilarious.<br /><br />Is this blog for real or is it actually a brilliant satire on how desperate the global warmists are getting?Cingoldbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14512362800274380329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-22797020561684037172012-10-31T04:17:53.963-07:002012-10-31T04:17:53.963-07:00His being a fraud is what makes him a fraud. He...His being a fraud is what makes him a fraud. He's a carnival barker hiding behind bogus computer models.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567859187952397850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-10261586220354399012012-10-30T22:12:27.775-07:002012-10-30T22:12:27.775-07:00Hal wrote:
http://hol.sagepub.com/content/early/20...Hal wrote:<br />http://hol.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/10/26/0959683612460791.abstract <br /><br />And why do you think this makes Mann a fraud?<br /><br />This seems to be a paper questioning his methodology..... Such papers have appeared since the beginning of time -- it's the story of science -- someone puts a calculation out there, and other people evaluate it and find its problems, or better methods....<br /><br />So what is Mann's crime?<br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-51896066131786558732012-10-30T22:05:16.367-07:002012-10-30T22:05:16.367-07:00Hal: I'm well aware of the literature.
I don&...Hal: I'm well aware of the literature.<br /><br />I don't want to know what you can cut-and-paste -- I want to know what you understand.<br /><br />What is the problems with Mann's methods, in your own words?<br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-74935365510444767602012-10-30T21:52:15.423-07:002012-10-30T21:52:15.423-07:00And finally, you dare to call my reference to seve...And finally, you dare to call my reference to several highly qualified and eminent scientists, an appeal to authority? That's really rich isn't it? You've been doing it for years with the IPCC and the usual suspects otherwise known as "the team". I don't think an argument to authority makes any sense for either position. Mine is an argument based on the best science. The difference is that I seem to be able to tell who has the best science and arguments and you don't. <br /><br />After you've read the papers we can continue this discussion. I wonder what you'll say? <br /><br />Dr. HalHalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-79852837735641981752012-10-30T21:47:43.036-07:002012-10-30T21:47:43.036-07:00And needless to say (but I will anyway) that the d...And needless to say (but I will anyway) that the dogged and brilliant Steve McIntyre predicted this in 2005. Halhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-43708535011036328412012-10-30T21:46:13.306-07:002012-10-30T21:46:13.306-07:00And these other two recent papers that disappear t...And these other two recent papers that disappear the "hockey stick". I'm a bit shocked that you aren't aware of them. Perhaps you should get a better source than MM??? <br /><br />http://www.clim-past.net/8/765/2012/cp-8-765-2012.html<br /><br />Or this one. "Variability and extremes of northern Scandinavian summer temperatures over the past two millennia<br /><br />Jan Esper, Ulf Büntgen, Mauri Timonen, David C. Frank"<br /><br />Abstract<br /><br />Palaeoclimatic evidence revealed synchronous temperature variations among Northern Hemisphere regions over the past millennium. The range of these variations (in degrees Celsius) is, however, largely unknown. We here present a 2000-year summer temperature reconstruction from northern Scandinavia and compare this timeseries with existing proxy records to assess the range of reconstructed temperatures at a regional scale. The new reconstruction is based on 578 maximum latewood density profiles from living and sub-fossil Pinus sylvestris samples from northern Sweden and Finland.<br /><br />The record provides evidence for substantial warmth during Roman and Medieval times, larger in extent and longer in duration than 20th century warmth.Halhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-7534907630002115262012-10-30T21:38:12.670-07:002012-10-30T21:38:12.670-07:00http://hol.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/10/26/09...http://hol.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/10/26/0959683612460791.abstractHalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-8812246130081695312012-10-30T21:08:00.546-07:002012-10-30T21:08:00.546-07:00What manipulation?
Prove it or shut up.
What manipulation?<br /><br />Prove it or shut up.<br /><br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-13315568945506370582012-10-30T20:56:04.627-07:002012-10-30T20:56:04.627-07:0027David Appell said...
Just goes to show -- &...27David Appell said...<br /><br /> Just goes to show -- "satirical polemicists" don't know crap about science.<br /><br />----------------------------<br /><br /><br />Neither does your "Galileo." He was always about driving policy through manipulated science. He's as much a polemicist as Steyn but he lacks the wit to be satirical. <br /><br />He's a fraud. There I've said it, Michael. Sue me.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13052934038269806023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-15718701848173574562012-10-30T20:55:50.105-07:002012-10-30T20:55:50.105-07:00Hal,
1) What is tarnished about the data?
2) Why...Hal,<br /><br />1) What is tarnished about the data?<br /><br />2) Why would tarnished data, revealed now, make Mann the devil?<br /><br />-- David<br /><br /><br /><br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-84753170464510496042012-10-30T20:51:05.972-07:002012-10-30T20:51:05.972-07:00What paper by Briffa?
(Your appeals to authority ...What paper by Briffa?<br /><br />(Your appeals to authority are weak tea.)<br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-24944914879057200452012-10-30T20:27:56.876-07:002012-10-30T20:27:56.876-07:00P.S. A new paper out by Briffa (of all people) sh...P.S. A new paper out by Briffa (of all people) shows that the following papers utilized Mann's now tarnished data.<br /><br />Perhaps these were some of the papers you were referring to?<br /><br /> MBH98<br /> MBH99<br /> Rutherford et al 05<br /> Jones 98<br /> Crowley 00<br /> Briffa 00<br /> Esper 02<br /> Mann, Jones 03<br /> Moberg<br /> Osborn, Briffa 06<br /> D’Arrigo et al 06<br />Halhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-5509903916400838242012-10-30T20:23:07.354-07:002012-10-30T20:23:07.354-07:00You call that an argument against Muller. Laughab...<br /><br />You call that an argument against Muller. Laughable. <br /><br />OH well.....your qualifications compared to Mullers. Nuff said.<br />Or perhaps Judith Curry? Nope she's more qualified than you too.<br /><br /> Pielke Jr.? Nope, same thing. <br /><br />Lindzen? Damn....another supremely qualified scientist who disagrees with you. <br /><br />I'm afraid I will side with the rational scientists while you can continue to embarrass yourself supporting the enormously self important nobel laureate himself!!!Halhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-70544859472677176812012-10-30T19:55:51.679-07:002012-10-30T19:55:51.679-07:00Oh brother. I have already written about Muller...Oh brother. I have already written about Muller's objections -- about the hockey stick, he was clearly wrong:<br /><br />http://davidappell.blogspot.com/2011/10/best-muller-and-issue-of-peer-review.html<br /><br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-40045354341277020922012-10-30T19:46:30.926-07:002012-10-30T19:46:30.926-07:00Oh brother. Why don't you google Richard Mull...Oh brother. Why don't you google Richard Muller for his insights about your precious Michael Mann.Halhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681346031616480664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-74294090160356705922012-10-30T19:34:57.144-07:002012-10-30T19:34:57.144-07:00Just goes to show -- "satirical polemicists&q...Just goes to show -- "satirical polemicists" don't know crap about science. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-72240672058464732962012-10-30T19:26:29.667-07:002012-10-30T19:26:29.667-07:00Mark Steyn is one of the best satirical polemicist...Mark Steyn is one of the best satirical polemicists writing in the English language today, and your characterization of him as a "pseudo-intellectual," while praising Mann as the Galileo of our time shows how desperate you've become for blog traffic. <br /><br />You've amused Mark and he's linked to your comment. I'm hoping Anthony Watts doesn't take the bait.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13052934038269806023noreply@blogger.com