tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post5491747136493043335..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Wood for Trees: You Can't Trust ItDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-85175434259656055922016-08-22T10:42:54.598-07:002016-08-22T10:42:54.598-07:00David: I know this is a long time coming but I hav...David: I know this is a long time coming but I have now updated WFT to use HADCRUT4.4, which both brings it up to date and should fix the data changes you noticed. The problem arose because when Hadley update their version they change the filename, and the old dataset (4.3) stops, so one of the few things I have to do manually is update the FTP script, and you know, life happened... :-)<br /><br />I understand the point about the decimal dates, maybe mid-month would be more technically accurate, but can you explain what errors you think that might create?<br /><br />Best wishes<br /><br />Paul Clark<br />WoodForTrees author<br />WoodForTreeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05696906036086832946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-2362478507303881602015-06-12T06:40:30.669-07:002015-06-12T06:40:30.669-07:00You need to open two instances of the time-series ...You need to open two instances of the time-series you are examining, one for the curve and the second for the trend. <a href="http://woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/plot/gistemp/trend" rel="nofollow">Like this</a>. You can get the annual trend from the [raw data] link below the graph display. Scroll right to the bottom of the numerical data and look for something like this:<br /><br /><i>#Least squares trend line; slope = 0.00678428 per year</i><br /><br />WfT is much quicker than downloading the data into Excel and has the great merit that the results are both absolutely transparent and instantly shareable online. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-5101389694199722612015-06-09T05:34:08.478-07:002015-06-09T05:34:08.478-07:00I tried it yesterday, but I couldn't get it to...I tried it yesterday, but I couldn't get it to display the graph and the trend at the same time. In any case, it doesn't (AFAIK) give a value for the trend, so I always get the data from the links at www.climate4you. com and plot it in Excel, which is very easy. Probably the free Office programs like Open Office and Libre Office would do much the same.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-1206435551499866302015-06-08T09:45:27.964-07:002015-06-08T09:45:27.964-07:00Thanks for the update -- I've noted it at the ...Thanks for the update -- I've noted it at the top of the page.<br /><br />My complaint wasn't with the site's developer/maintainer, though I can see how it came across as that. (My posts and comments often sound more harsh than I mean them; it's a problem of mine that I'm working on.) It was more with users who toss WFT graphs around without looking into the details of the underlying data -- like version numbers, updates, etc. I always prefer downloading the data and doing my own calcuations and graphs -- then I know exactly what data I'm using and exactly what I'm calculating. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-43118102821931705762015-06-08T08:20:13.089-07:002015-06-08T08:20:13.089-07:00Yes, very disappointing this is not updated.Yes, very disappointing this is not updated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-18940127682478024592015-06-07T17:28:24.805-07:002015-06-07T17:28:24.805-07:00Wood For Trees has been updated. Time for a Wood F...Wood For Trees has been updated. Time for a Wood For Trees Can Be Trusted post, yeah, with an edit link at the top of this post and perhaps a link to how the one, single bloke maintaining the site can be financially compensated? A bit like Comical Tony gets compensated via his Paypal button, Heartland Institute $70,000+ website creation that could be done for low four figures, and weather instrument sales. Just sayin'.J Bowersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-9905818657501523302015-06-05T00:05:07.341-07:002015-06-05T00:05:07.341-07:00David Appell
As far as I know, the owner of WfT i...David Appell<br /><br />As far as I know, the owner of WfT is acting in good faith, unpaid and largely unthanked for his efforts. In the past, when I was making heavier use of the site I emailed the owner and asked - politely - if he would be kind enough to update some obsolete data links (same situation as at present). He did so, and I made a donation to the Woodland Trust. Might I suggest that this is the ideal MO going forward?BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-89168106789780895702015-06-04T18:05:12.162-07:002015-06-04T18:05:12.162-07:00Apparently Richard is a Mathematician. That's ...Apparently Richard is a Mathematician. That's a revelation.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-25917053972113522472015-06-04T16:11:54.804-07:002015-06-04T16:11:54.804-07:00well it looks OK now, maybe they updated. The link...well it looks OK now, maybe they updated. The link you give http://woodfortrees.org/data/hadcrut4gl/from:2010/plot/hadcrut4gl/last:60/trend goes through 2015.25 and has the same anomalies you say should be there.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-38910236406921696232015-05-26T11:39:09.260-07:002015-05-26T11:39:09.260-07:00I was promoting the links from www.climate4you.com...I was promoting the links from www.climate4you.com (it's a very useful 'hub' to use to find the various data sources) - not the content of the site itself. I always use the data from the sources to plot my own graphs.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-72450440493724575412015-05-26T07:22:15.666-07:002015-05-26T07:22:15.666-07:00Mallett was posting a lot of nonsense over at Tami...Mallett was posting a lot of nonsense over at Tamino's, until a week ago when Tamino showed him the door.<br /><br />Not surprised to see him promoting junk-science sites like Humlum's. Ned Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-74650803606843546712015-05-25T12:01:05.243-07:002015-05-25T12:01:05.243-07:00I was only saying that I use the links from www.cl...I was only saying that I use the links from www.climate4you.com to get to the data from NASA GISS, NOAA NCDC and HadCRUT4. I made no comment on the veracity of www.climate4you.com itself, only that it is a good source of links to the data.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-79941311876895147912015-05-25T11:28:46.960-07:002015-05-25T11:28:46.960-07:00Climate4You is an openly denialist website founded...Climate4You is an openly denialist website founded and run by Ole Humlum. It has zero data credibility.Philliphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17514170039729454310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-40424658600587516682015-05-23T13:26:27.434-07:002015-05-23T13:26:27.434-07:00I always use the links from www.climate4you.comI always use the links from www.climate4you.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.com