tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post781676932457890931..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: House Science Committee Comes to Agreement on Climate ScienceDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-32961512578388438452017-03-30T18:52:05.314-07:002017-03-30T18:52:05.314-07:00Joe, really good thoughts. Thanks.Joe, really good thoughts. Thanks.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-87845918505853192012017-03-30T13:02:37.479-07:002017-03-30T13:02:37.479-07:00Bruce Lee! I like it. We need new faces at these h...Bruce Lee! I like it. We need new faces at these hearings, even if the hearings themselves are a farce.JoeThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06540568535579405609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-53809464204252501162017-03-30T12:10:06.560-07:002017-03-30T12:10:06.560-07:00Hayhoe is Bruce Lee: “like water making its way th...Hayhoe is Bruce Lee: “like water making its way through cracks"Layzejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346550512734519728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-6085687005060234812017-03-30T09:22:03.584-07:002017-03-30T09:22:03.584-07:00David, I also watched the hearing. Some thoughts:
...David, I also watched the hearing. Some thoughts:<br />1- Pielke's statement that we need to act even though there will always be uncertainty wasn't the most surprising thing he said. He actually called for a carbon tax! To which Randy Weber of Texas responded that this was blasphemy.<br />2- I was very impressed with Suzanne Bonamici of Oregon who I had never heard of before. She wasn't reticent at calling out the bullshit nature of the hearing (but used better words than I just did). I hope we see much more of her.<br />3- I was astonished at the lack of knowledge of the 2 climatologists, Christy and Curry. Curry had a difficult time describing the Milankovitch cycle and Christy couldn't answer a direct question whether warming leads to higher sea levels. He punted the question to Curry.<br />4- In an interaction with Rep. Loudemilk of Georgia, Mann was accused of ignoring natural variations. This is just laughable untrue. As evidenced in the thread you recently had on Steyn, Mann and the hockey stick, there are clearly some (many?) who never even read Mann's 1998 paper. The main thrust of that paper was in fact, whether features like ENSO and the AMO can be seen in the paleo record. Hell, it's the reason why he did the principal component analysis in the first place. If you only wanted to show that there has been a huge upturn in the global mean temperature compard to the paleo record, then you only needed to plot the data. No need for PCA.<br />5- Low point of the meeting: Clay Higgins of Louisiana, thinking he had stumbled into a House of Un-American Activities Committee meeting rather than the House Science committee, asks "Dr. Mann, are you affiliated or associated with an organization called the Union of Concerned Scientists?"<br />6- If Michael Mann is Jake LaMotta, what does that make Katherine Hayhoe? Joe Louis? <br />Floyd Patterson? How about Manny Pacquiao?JoeThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06540568535579405609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-89403032319942920342017-03-29T23:31:10.793-07:002017-03-29T23:31:10.793-07:00Good point, Marco -- and Lamar Smith still brought...Good point, Marco -- and Lamar Smith still brought up John Bates today.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-34960335712913020102017-03-29T23:10:08.712-07:002017-03-29T23:10:08.712-07:00David in Cal also conveniently ignores Lamar Smith...David in Cal also conveniently ignores Lamar Smith's attacks on Karl (and co-authors), who he essentially accuses (still) of fraud.<br /><br />Ben Santer also has a few stories to tell what it is like to say something that is politically inconvenient. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-76355510360944552112017-03-29T19:36:21.049-07:002017-03-29T19:36:21.049-07:00By the way, David, here's an email I received ...By the way, David, here's an email I received last September:<br /><br />"David you are one step beyond an idiot and do not deserve the liberties that I and so many others have fought for"<br /><br />-- Bill Libby, wlibby3000@comcast.net<br /><br />There are more.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-69134423207455614882017-03-29T19:33:02.847-07:002017-03-29T19:33:02.847-07:00Poor Judith, someone called her names.
Ask Michae...Poor Judith, someone called her names.<br /><br />Ask Michael Mann about that. Ask him about death threats to him and his family. Ask him about receiving letters with white power in them.<br /><br />Curry gave no evidence to support her claims.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-77442102598486591522017-03-29T18:53:19.027-07:002017-03-29T18:53:19.027-07:00This one panel was 3 to 1 dissenters, but dissenti...This one panel was 3 to 1 dissenters, but dissenting scientists are indeed "brutalized into silence". This was the main point made by Dr. Curry. She provided some details:<br /> <br /><i>As a result of my analyses that challenge the IPCC consensus, I have been publicly called a serial climate disinformer, anti-science, and a denier by a prominent climate scientist. I’ve been publicly called a denier by a U.S. Senator. My motives have been questioned by a U.S. Congressman in a letter sent to the President of Georgia Tech....<br /><br />There is enormous pressure for climate scientists to conform to the so-called consensus. This pressure comes from federal funding agencies, universities and professional societies, and scientists themselves. Reinforcing this consensus are strong monetary, reputational, and authority interests. Owing to these pressures and the gutter tactics of the academic debate on climate change, I recently resigned my tenured faculty position at Georgia Tech.</i>David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068188536758619565noreply@blogger.com