tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post8778231857939226685..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Dr. Patrick Moore Just Misled CongressDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-79039009503578209652014-12-27T20:37:05.927-08:002014-12-27T20:37:05.927-08:00PS: Moore said CO2 then was 4000 ppm then, not 200...PS: Moore said CO2 then was 4000 ppm then, not 2000 ppm:<br /><br />"Then an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher than today"David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-50414411636202899542014-12-27T20:35:31.502-08:002014-12-27T20:35:31.502-08:00You completely missed the point.
The point is th...You completely missed the point. <br /><br />The point is that, with a weaker sun in the past, it takes higher CO2 to create the same temperature as today. <br /><br />So saying CO2 then was 2000 or 4000 ppm says nothing on its own, without taking into account the weaker sun, and the albedo difference from today (since the continents then were different and in different places).David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-8948519772103282592014-12-27T20:18:35.557-08:002014-12-27T20:18:35.557-08:00From Marsh:
"Total solar irradiance in the p...From Marsh:<br /><br />"Total solar irradiance in the past is difficult to determine and may—for the period since<br />the Maunder Minimum (associated with the Little Ice Age) of the mid-1600s to the early 1700s—<br />have an uncertainty of anywhere from 1 to 15 w/m2."<br /><br />If the uncertainty 300 years ago is 1-15 w/m2, what is the uncertainty 450,000 years ago?<br /><br />You claim Moore was wrong to use an estimate of 2000 ppm CO2 in his testimony. However, he was using an estimate made by Pagani and others, published in 2005 in Science Magazine.<br /><br />The abstract can be found here:<br /><br />http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5734/600.abstract<br /><br />It sounds like your quarrel is not with Moore, but with his source of information. However, Pagani's research has been cited dozens of times in many other studies. Sounds like it has been widely accepted.<br /><br />You used a study by Royer to dispute Moore's estimate. However, Royer's data does not lead one to believe Moore's CO2 estimate was too low. To the contrary, Royer's data support's an estimate 2 or 3 times HIGHER than Moore (and that's a conservative reading).<br /><br />So, all evidence in your blog post seems to support Moore, rather than you. And yet, you call Moore all sorts of names and accuse him of dishonesty.<br /><br />(1) Where is your supporting evidence that CO2 levels 450,000 years ago were DEFINITELY and SIGNIFICANTLY lower than Moore's 2000 ppm estimate?<br /><br />(2) Where is your supporting evidence that total solar irradiance was anywhere close to your calculated figure, given the huge uncertainty cited by Marsh?<br /><br />(3) Whatever happened to RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with someone, especially when the evidence you cite as reason for your disagreement is SO WEAK?rspunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355847658401064094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-41222666704992337382014-02-28T17:10:33.382-08:002014-02-28T17:10:33.382-08:00Found the correction:
http://davidappell.blogspot....Found the correction:<br />http://davidappell.blogspot.ca/2014/02/who-is-patrick-moore.html<br /><br />Thank you for that.Hank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-4149763321587665682014-02-27T15:56:30.283-08:002014-02-27T15:56:30.283-08:00Patricia, I misunderstood your remark. Sorry. Patricia, I misunderstood your remark. Sorry. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-39182507104434161642014-02-27T13:58:08.853-08:002014-02-27T13:58:08.853-08:00YES, he is very wrong about climate science. And a...YES, he is very wrong about climate science. And about the nuclear industry and logging...and other subjects he is hired to expound upon.<br /><br />"So what" is that your post suggests he speaks for an environmental organization when he does not.Patricia K. Lichenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17504851794884284674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-57112938472917119642014-02-27T12:37:07.861-08:002014-02-27T12:37:07.861-08:00So what? He's still very wrong about climate s...So what? He's still very wrong about climate science.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-18938603114513216502014-02-27T12:09:10.119-08:002014-02-27T12:09:10.119-08:00BF: Please follow this link to see a copy of Patri...BF: Please follow this link to see a copy of Patrick Moore's request to join in a Greenpeace voyage, about a year after the founding of the organization: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/Global/usa/binaries/2008/12/patrick-moore-s-application-le.pdf <br /><br />--Pat LichenPatricia K. Lichenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17504851794884284674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-44608943708637086562014-02-27T01:30:05.180-08:002014-02-27T01:30:05.180-08:00Greenpeace originally listed Moore as a co-founder...Greenpeace originally listed Moore as a co-founder on their web-site but has revised it's own history by removing this detail. It is dishonest to hide this just because it is embarrassing for them. Trying to alter the truth looks dodgy.BFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05506115179703446694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-6122649533091340142014-02-25T20:42:56.848-08:002014-02-25T20:42:56.848-08:00I appreciate your information here, but request th...I appreciate your information here, but request that you correct the false information in its first sentence. <br /><br />Patrick Moore was not a "Greenpeace co-founder." He did work for Greenpeace in the early days of the organization, but this claim of being a founder is false (like so many other things Moore has said). <br /><br />And although he has not been involved with the organization for many decades, this post leaves the impression that he somehow represents Greenpeace. Could you please correct this as well? <br /><br />Moore continues to talk about the old connection in order to gin up more attention than he would otherwise receive.<br /><br />You can find more information about Moore from Greenpeace's viewpoint here: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/about/history/Patrick-Moore-background-information/<br /><br />Thanks. Pat Lichenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07240785811373049288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-33604170499525283352014-02-25T14:27:57.769-08:002014-02-25T14:27:57.769-08:00No. But I'm thinking about it. On paper. (I do...No. But I'm thinking about it. On paper. (I doubt email would be noticed with Congresspeople.) David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-56138620016333832742014-02-25T14:13:14.625-08:002014-02-25T14:13:14.625-08:00Have you forwarded this to the members of the comm...Have you forwarded this to the members of the committee that he testified to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com