tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post1567460722119153275..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Trump Calls America a Shithole CountryDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-5631000434645117452020-12-08T12:15:25.777-08:002020-12-08T12:15:25.777-08:00“BTW my source was fully credible. It accurately r...“BTW my source was fully credible. It accurately reported the claims made by the President's lawyer.”<br /><br />:%s/credible/predictable/g<br />:%s/accurately/credulously/g<br /><br />Fixed that for ya.Layzejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346550512734519728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-64537677791153600602020-12-06T13:37:39.554-08:002020-12-06T13:37:39.554-08:00Correction: I confused Daily Caller with American ...Correction: I confused Daily Caller with American Thinker in my last post although they are much the same IMO. J. D. https://www.blogger.com/profile/05284687881713945607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-39045870988829880772020-12-05T10:17:33.413-08:002020-12-05T10:17:33.413-08:00BTW my source was fully credible.
I'm not sur...<i>BTW my source was fully credible.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure what your definition of credible is. It seems to be someone who twists evidence to suit a particular agenda. This is part of what you quoted, <br /><br /><i>At a hearing on Thursday, surveillance footage emerged showing that the ballots being secretly counted came from suitcases hidden under a table.</i><br /><br />Note that they leave no doubt that something neferious was going on. Here again is their final paragraph, <br /><br /><i>Forgetting about the surveillance cameras was a mistake, and it is to be hoped that every intelligent American who is not a partisan media hack — i.e., members of the public, politicians, and judges alike — understands that we're seeing something better than a smoking gun. In those surveillance videos, we're actually watching in real time the gun being used to commit the biggest crime in American history.</i><br /><br />No doubt there either. "We are watching the biggest crime in American history" as "every intelligent American" would realize. They also state as fact that they had forgotten about the surveillance cameras, something they would have to be psychic to know. <br />The thing is as well is that this isn't a fictional TV program. Those are real people that they have accused of being guilty of the biggest crime in American history and a lot of the people who believe this crap are crazy people with firearms. The names of the poll workers who were just doing a job are all over the internet with people speculating what they would like to happen to them and referring to them as n*****s.<br /><br />I don't think the Daily Caller is either credible or responsible. I don't know anyone who does. <br />J. D. https://www.blogger.com/profile/05284687881713945607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-37329914793242138542020-12-05T10:17:06.134-08:002020-12-05T10:17:06.134-08:00It's the president's lawyer who isn't ...It's the president's lawyer who isn't credible. And The American Thinker passed that on without vetting them or investigating. That's not what a credible outlet does. For years The American Thinker published Fred Singer's trash on climate science. I don't think they're credible at all -- they publish only what a certain niche wants to hear.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-72466488260176897162020-12-05T08:56:21.810-08:002020-12-05T08:56:21.810-08:00Thanks for the links, J.D.
BTW my source was full...Thanks for the links, J.D.<br /><br />BTW my source was fully credible. It accurately reported the claims made by the President's lawyer.<br /><br />CheersDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-60162470957683396022020-12-05T08:23:12.134-08:002020-12-05T08:23:12.134-08:00You beat me too it David A.
DiC: Regarding the cr...You beat me too it David A.<br /><br />DiC: Regarding the credibility of signed affadavits that you mentioned above. I don't know whether you seen the testimony of Giuliani's "star witness" in Michigan the other day. She kept saying she had signed an affadavit. If you did see her did you find her credible?<br /><br />She had witnessed fraud all over the place. They were double counting ballots, bringing fraudulent votes by the van load at night, dead people were voting, the poll turn out was 120% and when a Republican state representative asked her why the poll log appeared to contradict her claims she accused him of tampering with it. She had told her boss about the double counting she said but he didn't want to know. She then realized he was part of the conspiracy.<br /><br />Democrats tried to object that if they were going to make these accusations about named people they should be under oath but were shut down by the Republican chairman. The woman had already been deemed not credible by a judge. I'm just wondering how long this has to go on before you realize that it's these people who are trying to commit the crime of the century?J. D. https://www.blogger.com/profile/05284687881713945607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-62028437040814835572020-12-05T07:54:23.118-08:002020-12-05T07:54:23.118-08:00DiC: quoting your link,
Forgetting about the surv...DiC: quoting your link,<br /><br /><i>Forgetting about the surveillance cameras was a mistake, and it is to be hoped that every intelligent American who is not a partisan media hack — i.e., members of the public, politicians, and judges alike — understands that we're seeing something better than a smoking gun. In those surveillance videos, we're actually watching in real time the gun being used to commit the biggest crime in American history.</i><br /><br />So there you have it. Well done! <br />The biggest crime in American history and they would have got away with it if only they hadn't been so stupid as to forget all those surveillance cameras. And of course they hadn't realised that brilliant sleuth Rudy Giuliani would be on the case. <br />Not to worry though. Those poll workers have already been named online and I'm sure that all of those threatening retribution don't really mean it.<br /><br />OTOH there is this, <br /><br /><i>That interpretation is wrong, however. The footage doesn’t show any wrongdoing, said Gabriel Sterling, a Republican and Georgia’s voting system implementation manager, in a Dec. 4 tweet.<br /><br />"The 90 second video of election workers at State Farm arena, purporting to show fraud was watched in its entirety (hours) by @GaSecofState investigators," Sterling wrote, linking to a fact-check from Lead Stories. "Shows normal ballot processing."</i><br /><br />Thanks for sharing a conspiracy theory from another of your credible sources. Apparently Joe Biden is still President elect though and I'm sure that Trump, being such a sane well balanced person who always puts the interests of the country first, is on the phone at this very moment congratulating him. <br />Sources:<br />https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/facebook-posts/no-georgia-election-workers-didnt-kick-out-observe/<br /><br />and<br /><br />https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/georgia-election-officials-show-frame-by-frame-what-really-happened-fulton-surveillance-video/T5M3PYIBYFHFFOD3CIB2ULDVDE/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilotJ. D. https://www.blogger.com/profile/05284687881713945607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-79502739055010980132020-12-05T07:21:28.314-08:002020-12-05T07:21:28.314-08:00Thoroughly debunked in the Washington Post:
"...Thoroughly debunked in the Washington Post:<br /><br />"Surveillance tape breeds false fraud claims in Georgia," 12/4/20<br />https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/surveillance-tape-breeds-false-fraud-claims-in-georgia/2020/12/04/8e203752-3686-11eb-9699-00d311f13d2d_story.html<br /><br />"Surveillance footage of ballot processing on election night in Atlanta is fueling a false social media narrative of “suitcases filled with ballots” hidden under a cloth-covered table and tallied without supervision, even as top state officials confirm election workers followed standard procedure.<br /><br />"The video showed regular ballot containers on wheels — not suitcases — and both a state investigator and an independent monitor observed counting until it was done for the night, finding no evidence of improper ballots, state and county officials said on Friday...."David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-31146196497611545212020-12-04T18:26:24.647-08:002020-12-04T18:26:24.647-08:00"Georgia's Fulton County, the most populo..."Georgia's Fulton County, the most populous in the state, claimed that it needed to stop absentee ballot overnight on November 3–4 because of a burst pipe. That was a lie. There was no burst pipe, and the counting didn't stop. At a hearing on Thursday, surveillance footage emerged showing that the ballots being secretly counted came from suitcases hidden under a table."<br /><br />You can watch the video at the link. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/does_a_surveillance_video_prove_georgia_election_fraud.html<br /><br />CheersDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-8387098586625173012020-12-03T13:04:29.233-08:002020-12-03T13:04:29.233-08:00Barr also leaves open the possibility Trump is a l...<i><br />Barr also leaves open the possibility Trump is a lizard in a human suit</i><br /><br />You joke, but these folks are not far behind:<br /><br />https://www.wired.com/2013/03/secret-service-reptile-aliens/<br /><br />Their minds are in a loop.Layzejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346550512734519728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-3623696349889990202020-12-02T08:19:48.278-08:002020-12-02T08:19:48.278-08:00I forgot to link to the article I quoted from, htt...I forgot to link to the article I quoted from, https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/01/michigan-hearing-puts-spotlight-unproven-claims-election-fraud/6475762002/<br /><br />J. D. https://www.blogger.com/profile/05284687881713945607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-33284241354574446452020-12-02T07:57:03.182-08:002020-12-02T07:57:03.182-08:00you offered no evidence to show that there is not ...<i>you offered no evidence to show that there is not plenty of evidence of substantial, widespread fraud. Instead you offered an insult.</i><br /><br />I'm not the one making incredible claims about "substantial, widespread fraud". It's been pointed out to you that court case after court case has been thrown out. You then handwave this away by saying that unfortunately the evidence won't stand up in court but then they've got all those signed affadavits and they wouldn't lie would they. They don't have to lie although some of them might be. Lots of the claims are vague and some boil down to a matter of opinion like the woman saying some of the ballots looked like xerox copies to her. <br />Many of them could just have thought something looked suspicious because they had been primed beforehand to think that fraud was occurring. This is from the local newspaper,<br /><br /><i>More than five hours into the meeting, Bill Schmidt of Livonia, who described himself as a lifelong Republican before this year's election, said he served as a poll challenger at TCF Center, where Detroit's absentee ballots were counted. Schmidt said he saw mistakes but not fraud.<br /><br />There was a lot of confusion at TCF Center, and people who were told there would be fraud occurring were predisposed to see it, he said.<br /><br />"Evil can be seen by evil people," Schmidt said after he testified.<br /><br />"Good people see goodness. What I saw is, I saw hardworking people working hard," he continued. "That’s what I saw. That’s America. That’s democracy.”...<b>Biden, the Democratic former vice president, won Michigan by 154,000 votes, 14 times Trump's margin of victory in 2016. And there hasn't been evidence presented yet that throws that result into legal question. Tallies have been certified by bipartisan boards of canvassers in all 83 counties and by the Board of State Canvassers.</b></i><br /><br />We know that Republicans at the count were making a nuisance of themselves from reports at the time banging on windows and chanting stop the vote etc. They are the ones, along with their dear leader, who are having a negative effect on election integrity. Trump was never going to accept the vote if he lost and now he is raking in money from gullible rubes who actually believe what he says. J. D. https://www.blogger.com/profile/05284687881713945607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-38032349690539068692020-12-01T21:16:49.132-08:002020-12-01T21:16:49.132-08:00David, I’m sorry, I regret sounding patronizing.David, I’m sorry, I regret sounding patronizing.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-17330607735241093782020-12-01T16:18:59.188-08:002020-12-01T16:18:59.188-08:00Barr also leaves open the possibility Trump is a l...Barr also leaves open the possibility Trump is a lizard in a human suit.<br /><br /><i>David - there's every indication that there was a lot of fraud.</i><br /><br />David, you have absolutely no evidence of this. No one does. It does not seem to matter how many officials, of both parties, announce it. Or how many rational arguments are presented against you, or how flimsy your arguments are pointed out to be. <br /><br />Honestly, it is very sad to see an intelligent person like you go down this ridiculous path of self-deception and fall for the mad rantings of a psychopath. Very sad. I can't begin to understand it. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-49903780171947742762020-12-01T15:10:16.372-08:002020-12-01T15:10:16.372-08:00Barr's exact quote: "To date, we have not...Barr's exact quote: "To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election" This statement acknowledges the possibilities that<br /><br />1. Barr may have already seen a lot of fraud, but not enough to change the election<br />2. Barr leaves open the possibility that he might yet see more fraud, and it might be enough to change the election.<br /><br />David - there's every indication that there was a lot of fraud. I have no hope that the election will be overturned, whether it deserves to be or not. I do hope that many steps are taken to prevent this kind of fraud in the future.<br /><br />I don't think that worrying about fraud, and doing something about it, damage democracy. On the contrary, I think less dishonest elections are better for democracy.<br /><br />CheersDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-53554743212250640922020-12-01T13:43:57.262-08:002020-12-01T13:43:57.262-08:00And Barr is a tool of Trump.And Barr is a tool of Trump.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-85969412025441648342020-12-01T13:36:32.142-08:002020-12-01T13:36:32.142-08:00
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-551533...<br />https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55153366Entropic manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924031505275303068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-54149384128005516002020-12-01T13:19:07.183-08:002020-12-01T13:19:07.183-08:00A witness who? What is her name? What was her role...A witness who? What is her name? What was her role in the election process?<br /><br />"Looked like" xerox copies? What does that mean? From what distance? How did she make that determination? <br /><br />How did she know "none of ballots were from registered voters and all were for Democratic nominee Joe Biden." How many ballots is she talking about? How did she compare to registered voters? Is it different for military voters -- are they on the same list as regular in-state voters?<br /><br />Was she cross-examined? <br /><br />And on and on. Nobody here is an expert, or you or I, and it's all a bunch of loose speculation and shady facts and testimony that Trump, Trumpists and people like you, David, are praying for long after the election, praying for a scrap of anything, while nothing as held up in court and judges are in effect laughing out at Trump's attornies, who aren't allowed to bring junk like the above to court or they risk disbarment.<br /><br />You are damaging American democracy and you don't even seem to care. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-76447214123755185392020-12-01T13:13:37.500-08:002020-12-01T13:13:37.500-08:00DiC That kind of fraud would leave a trail a mile ...DiC That kind of fraud would leave a trail a mile wide. Has anyone else actually seen all those votes registred 1-1-2020? It's not as if they would be hard to find.<br /><br />Sworn testimony doesn't mean you are sane or know what you are talking about.Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637003962678558195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-88230543044959011492020-12-01T12:57:32.866-08:002020-12-01T12:57:32.866-08:00Sworn testimony, under oath.
A witness at the Mic...Sworn testimony, under oath.<br /><br /><i>A witness at the Michigan election integrity hearing alleged that all the military ballots she observed looked like "xerox copies" of each other. The witness said that none of ballots were from registered voters and all were for Democratic nominee Joe Biden.<br /><br />"Not one of the military ballots was a registered voter and the ballots looked like they were all exactly the same xerox copies of the ballot," the witness testified to the state's Senate Oversight Committee at the Binsing Office Building in Lansing, Mich.<br /><br />This testimony on the absentee ballot counting process at the TCF Center in Detroit came approximately a month after the Senate and House Oversight Committees first approved subpoenas related to Michigan’s general election.<br /><br />She continued: "They were all for Biden across the board. There wasn't a single Trump vote. And none of the voters were registered."<br /><br />"They had to manually enter the names and addresses and the birth date of 1-1-2020, which would override the system," the witness stated.<br /><br />"And a lot of them had to enter non-registered voters, which I saw several that day. Throughout the day, that's how they would override voters that were neither in electronic poll book or the supplemental updated poll book."</i><br /><br />https://thepostmillennial.com/michigan-witness-alleges-ballots-were-counted-that-looked-like-photocopiesDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-80893349515288630432020-12-01T09:35:54.157-08:002020-12-01T09:35:54.157-08:00These three are interesting, but not one of them i...These three are interesting, but not one of them is "suggestive" of fraud.<br /><br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-54404588077755751732020-12-01T07:41:56.851-08:002020-12-01T07:41:56.851-08:00Entropic Man - yes, fraud cannot be proved from st...Entropic Man - yes, fraud cannot be proved from statistical patterns. However, there are other suggestive statistics:<br /><br />1. Trump won more counties than in 2016<br />2. Down-ticket Republicans did very well - Representatives, Senators and in-state offices<br />3. Trump did better with minorities, according to exit polls<br /><br />CheersDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-12931820268567842522020-12-01T01:13:59.612-08:002020-12-01T01:13:59.612-08:00"Statistical patterns. "
The main patte..."Statistical patterns. "<br /><br />The main pattern is not fraud but came from the way the marginal states ran their elections.<br /><br />1) The Trump campaign encouraged in-person voting on the day.<br /><br />2) The Biden campaign encouraged mail-in voting to avoid Covid.<br /><br />3) Republican controlled states (most of the marginals) preferred to count in-person votes before mail-in votes.<br /><br />Given these starting conditions one can project the pattern of vote reporting when the result is close.<br /><br />a) With in-person votes counted first, the in-person total counting would show an initial lead for Trump because of 1) and 2) above, which lead to a higher proportion of in-person Republican votes.<br /><br />b) When the mail-in ballots are counted, Biden would start to catch up as the mail-in ballots would have a higher proportion of Democrats.<br /><br />c) When the count is complete, the final result is the sum of all votes cast.In marginal states; if Trump wins, the Biden catch-up does not reach parity. If Biden wins he overtakes Trump near the end of the count.<br /><br />In summary, the pattern of an initial Trump lead followed by a Biden catch-up is an artefact of the way the campaigns and counts were run. Nothing to do with fraud.<br />Entropic manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924031505275303068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-80618973556957517952020-11-30T15:02:17.668-08:002020-11-30T15:02:17.668-08:00Entropic Man - You raise some excellent points. M...Entropic Man - You raise some excellent points. My response is in two general areas<br /><br />1. The suits filed by Guiliani and by Sidney Powell are "place holders". Their purpose is to gain time to more fully investigate.<br /><br />2. It may well be the case that fraud can be deduced as highly likely based on statistical patterns, but not proved sufficiently for a court of law to reverse the election.<br /><br />BTW, there are actually many affidavits by people who say they saw fraud. These are under oath. A false affidavit is perjury.<br /><br />Cheers<br />David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-53089456780845286712020-11-30T03:51:37.186-08:002020-11-30T03:51:37.186-08:00David in Cal.
I'm not discussing implausibilt...David in Cal.<br /><br />I'm not discussing implausibilty, I'm discussing the burden of proof.<br /><br />When Giuliani and his lawyers go into court seeking to invalidate votes, the burden of proof is on them to show that fraud took place. If fraud were widespread they would have brought evidence; CCTV and mobile phone video, plus poll observers describing what they saw under oath.<br /><br />Consider the ex-military man telling a Republican party meeting about USB ports. <br /><br />If it were genuine, he would have been telling a judge under oath. The fact that neither he or any other witnesses have done so is revealing. Lying to reporters is normal politics. Lying to a judge is perjury, which carries a much higher penalty.<br /><br />Entropic manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924031505275303068noreply@blogger.com