tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post2896050486416042858..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: A Review of Where I'm Coming FromDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-13541430830779351692012-03-27T17:07:23.714-07:002012-03-27T17:07:23.714-07:00"I believe a lot of people are making immense..."I believe a lot of people are making immense starships of money off fossil fuels, and as a result denigrate the [climate] science or spread money around to assist others do that."<br /><br />FOR EXAMPLE? Not really Heartland Institute. By comparison, look at the donor list to the advocacy outfit in the DC area, The Climate Institute: Ford Motor, Toyota, Shell, Rockefeller Foundations (two of them), a power company (and several US government agencies).<br /><br />David, I think your claim does not stand up to the evidence. Corporate talent draws more exclusively from our most elite institutions and rarely fails to reflect those values and prejudices - whether right or wrong. (My step-father was a VP for 3M company and would support this claim.)Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291833576294577818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-64383376217572144332012-03-27T07:59:45.357-07:002012-03-27T07:59:45.357-07:00Charles: I believe the evidence is strong. I recom...Charles: I believe the evidence is strong. I recommend two documents:<br /><br />Muller, Nicholas Z., Robert Mendelsohn, and William Nordhaus. 2011. "Environmental Accounting for Pollution in the United States Economy." American Economic Review, 101(5): 1649–75.<br />http://www.aeaweb.org/articles.php?doi=10.1257/aer.101.5.1649<br />http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/documents/Env_Accounts_052609.pdf<br /><br />To summarize that paper's findings: for every $1 in value that comes from coal-generated electricity, it creates $2.20 in damages. <br /><br />Total damages: $70 billion per year (in 2012 dollars).<br /><br />Petroleum-generated electricity is even worse: $5.13 in damages for $1 in value.<br /><br />The National Academy of Sciences estimates that fossil fuel use causes damages of at least $120 B/yr to health and the environment:<br /><br />“Hidden Costs of Energy: Unpriced Consequences of Energy Production and Use” <br />National Research Council, 2010<br />http://books.nap.edu/catalog/12794.htmlDavid Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-13489499859999559792012-03-27T06:49:47.509-07:002012-03-27T06:49:47.509-07:00That charles is an interesting Internet Performanc...That charles is an interesting Internet Performance Art character, surely: spreading FUD is such fun these days!!!<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-17681160241634307932012-03-26T22:15:53.891-07:002012-03-26T22:15:53.891-07:00"By the way, Charles, alternative energies ac..."By the way, Charles, alternative energies actually have *lower* costs than fossil fuels, not higher costs."<br /><br />I assume you are talking about the health cost of burning FF. I am open to this idea if the evidence is really strong. It might be wise for CAGW supporters to emphasize this point more and not focus on co2 so much.charlesHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798022842779057473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-20326782183031552132012-03-26T22:11:21.746-07:002012-03-26T22:11:21.746-07:00"Do you happen to know how much money he make..."Do you happen to know how much money he makes as Chairman of the Board of Directors of the George C Marshall Institute? Or an Academic Advisor to the Global Warming Policy Foundation? Those organization exist to deny climate science on the part of its funders, so I'm sure Happer is getting something."<br /><br />No I don't but I bet it's a lot less than Mann or Hansen have taken in.<br /><br />If we have to disregard any scientist with a financial interest in CAGW then we will be left with a rather short list.<br /><br />What is your trust level in the UN? IPCC?charlesHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798022842779057473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-53645207007400093482012-03-26T22:04:44.248-07:002012-03-26T22:04:44.248-07:00By the way, Charles, alternative energies actually...By the way, Charles, alternative energies actually have *lower* costs than fossil fuels, not higher costs.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-34969068101914546432012-03-26T22:03:55.366-07:002012-03-26T22:03:55.366-07:00Charles: It's Happer, not Hopper.
Do you hap...Charles: It's Happer, not Hopper. <br /><br />Do you happen to know how much money he makes as Chairman of the Board of Directors of the George C Marshall Institute? Or an Academic Advisor to the Global Warming Policy Foundation? Those organization exist to deny climate science on the part of its funders, so I'm sure Happer is getting something. <br /><br />I notice he didn't declare that on his WSJ article.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-90724085148984624852012-03-26T21:53:52.557-07:002012-03-26T21:53:52.557-07:00David,
"In relation to its size, power, and ...David,<br /><br />"In relation to its size, power, and reach, the U.S. may be the most corrupt nation in the history of the world."<br /><br />Are you serious?<br /> <br />Nazi Germany? <br />Stalinist Russia?<br />North Korea?<br />Fundamentalist Muslims (esp regarding women)?<br /><br />......... the list is long.charlesHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798022842779057473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-39963768109287151292012-03-26T21:46:44.705-07:002012-03-26T21:46:44.705-07:00David,
I would like to suggest that for those who...David,<br /><br />I would like to suggest that for those who believe in CAGW and that policy (higher energy costs) need to be adopted have a challenge when prof like Dr. Hopper go public with views like this in today's WSJ.<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304636404577291352882984274.html<br /><br />"Frustrated by the lack of computer-predicted warming over the past decade, some IPCC supporters have been claiming that "extreme weather" has become more common because of more CO2. But there is no hard evidence this is true....." <br /><br />..........<br /><br />"We need high-quality climate science because of the importance of climate to mankind. But we should also remember the description of how science works by the late, great physicist, Richard Feynman:<br /><br />"In general we look for a new law by the following process. First we guess it. Then we compute the consequences of the guess to see what would be implied if this law that we guessed is right. Then we compare the result of the computation to nature, with experiment or experience; compare it directly with observation, to see if it works. If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong."<br /><br />The most important component of climate science is careful, long-term observations of climate-related phenomena, from space, from land, and in the oceans. If observations do not support code predictions—like more extreme weather, or rapidly rising global temperatures—Feynman has told us what conclusions to draw about the theory."charlesHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798022842779057473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-31435892329049754842012-03-26T15:38:52.085-07:002012-03-26T15:38:52.085-07:00i agree with you except: a) you forgot Dr.Peter Gl...i agree with you except: a) you forgot Dr.Peter Glieck and b) a country more corrupt than Argentina? Impossible!! <br />jorge c.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-53112101016728405832012-03-26T14:45:49.046-07:002012-03-26T14:45:49.046-07:00"Watts obviously just saw an opening to score..."Watts obviously just saw an opening to score a point and so pretended I was slandering her and hence him, and continues to pretend that, which is childish and, in any case, not convincing."<br /><br />That. Or maybe he's so dumb he actually doesn't understand metaphors.<br /><br />Look at what Milloy does re racism and how Watts pretends to shake his head about it. These people are pathetic.<br /><br />Denier Lies and the Conspiracy Nuts Who Spread Them<br />http://nailsandcoffins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/denier-lies-and-conspiracy-nuts-who.htmlaaaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11666181105235020296noreply@blogger.com