tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post6104808052557907504..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Michael Mann Wins a Court CaseDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-60197992492420914622019-08-27T12:24:40.713-07:002019-08-27T12:24:40.713-07:00The BC Supreme Court just threw out Michael Mann&#...The BC Supreme Court just threw out Michael Mann's law suit against Tim Ball & Mann will have to pay Ball's legal fees.<br /><br />https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/22/breaking-dr-tim-ball-wins-michaelemann-lawsuit-mann-has-to-pay/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-51827301473323764532019-07-06T22:39:04.331-07:002019-07-06T22:39:04.331-07:00ncdave4life:
"The inconsistency of the proxy ...ncdave4life:<br />"The inconsistency of the proxy derivations with reality (i.e., the "divergence problem") means that the proxy-based temperature derivations, upon which the "hockey stick" was based, are untrustworthy."<br /><br />I don't see how. It means that the mismatch DURING THAT TIME FRAME doesn't work, which I understand means 1960 onward.<br /><br />Am I wrong? Admitting the mismatch > 1960 is, in fact, an indication of scientific *integrity* on MBH's part.<br /><br />“On the ‘Divergence Problem’ in Northern Forests: A review of the<br />tree-ring evidence and possible causes,” Rosanne D'Arrigo et al, Global and Planetary Change 60 (2008) 289–305.<br />http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~liepert/pdf/DArrigo_etal.pdf<br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-53574438556592718532019-06-17T05:07:09.795-07:002019-06-17T05:07:09.795-07:00Seems reasonable to use measurements if the proxy ...Seems reasonable to use measurements if the proxy was considered untrustworthy, but Michael Mann's <a href="https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/1999GL900070" rel="nofollow">nature paper</a> included both <a href="https://skepticalscience.com/pics/hockey_stick.gif" rel="nofollow">proxy reconstruction and actual measurements</a> together. One in blue and one in red to clearly delineate. Not sure what's dishonest about displaying all available data.Layzejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346550512734519728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-13807500369808617822019-06-16T23:30:56.679-07:002019-06-16T23:30:56.679-07:00The inconsistency of the proxy derivations with re...The inconsistency of the proxy derivations with reality (i.e., the "divergence problem") means that the proxy-based temperature derivations, upon which the "hockey stick" was based, are untrustworthy.ncdave4lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022815923433003840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-21468050264985722312019-06-16T16:54:49.534-07:002019-06-16T16:54:49.534-07:00"....in embarrassingly wrong proxy temperatur..."....in embarrassingly wrong proxy temperatures while real temps were increasing...."<br /><br />Why was/is this embarrassing? Embarrassing why?David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-84313419802472944982019-06-16T16:06:51.632-07:002019-06-16T16:06:51.632-07:00David Appell asked, "Do you know what "h...David Appell asked, <i>"Do you know what "hide the decline" referred to?"</i><br /><br />That is a strange question, David. Did you even read the comment to which you replied?<br /><br />I <b><i>told you</i></b> exactly what "hide the decline" referred to. It was:<br /><br />"Jones' & Mann's dishonest substitution of measurement data for proxies, to 'hide the decline' in embarrassingly wrong proxy temperatures while real temps were increasing, see: <a href="https://sealevel.info/climategate.html" rel="nofollow">https://sealevel.info/climategate.html</a>"<br /><br />How is that unclear?<br /><br />Jones, Mann, Bradley & Hughes created a deceptive spliced graph, to <i><b>hide</b></i> the divergence problem. Their graph which graced the cover of the <a href="https://sealevel.info/wmo913.pdf" rel="nofollow">1999 WMO Climate Report</a> (which did not mention the divergence problem).ncdave4lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022815923433003840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-44619577240631260092019-06-16T15:36:15.206-07:002019-06-16T15:36:15.206-07:00ncdave:
Do you know what "hide the decline&q...ncdave:<br /><br />Do you know what "hide the decline" referred to? <br /><br />Have you heard of the divergence problem?<br /><br />“On the ‘Divergence Problem’ in Northern Forests: A review of the<br />tree-ring evidence and possible causes,” Rosanne D'Arrigo et al, Global and Planetary Change 60 (2008) 289–305.<br />http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~liepert/pdf/DArrigo_etal.pdf<br /><br />How would you have preferred to solve the divergence problem?<br /><br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-25051341066713850972019-06-16T15:17:44.538-07:002019-06-16T15:17:44.538-07:00I’d never heard of Canada's “Frontier Centre,”...I’d never heard of Canada's “Frontier Centre,” but for a rundown of Jones' & Mann's dishonest substitution of measurement data for proxies, to “hide the decline” in embarrassingly wrong proxy temperatures while real temps were increasing, see:<br /><br /><a href="https://sealevel.info/climategate.html" rel="nofollow">https://sealevel.info/climategate.html</a><br /><br />Take a look at the deceptive graph which they created for the 1999 WMO Climate Report cover:<br /><br /><a href="https://sealevel.info/wmo_1999_climate_report_cover_hockey_stick_jones_bradley_mann_hughes_rounded_splice_points.html" rel="nofollow">https://sealevel.info/wmo_1999_climate_report_cover_hockey_stick_jones_bradley_mann_hughes_rounded_splice_points.html</a><br /><br />You can certainly see why that scientific malpractice horrified so many people, including Prof. Richard Muller. Here's his short but excellent discussion of it:<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk</a><br /><br />Here's Steve McIntyre's much more thorough discussion:<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqzcA7SsqSA" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqzcA7SsqSA</a>ncdave4lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022815923433003840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-89156623862911157582019-06-16T15:10:44.728-07:002019-06-16T15:10:44.728-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.ncdave4lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022815923433003840noreply@blogger.com