tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post6296492702561989770..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Norfolk Constabulary Made the Wrong ChargesDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-16573417205858031112013-01-13T10:33:58.925-08:002013-01-13T10:33:58.925-08:00Doug, hasn't John O'Sullivan admitted he i...Doug, hasn't John O'Sullivan admitted he is, in fact, not licensed to practice law?<br /><br />http://www.desmogblog.com/affidavits-michael-mann-libel-suit-reveal-astonishing-facts-about-tim-ball-associate-john-o-sullivanDavid Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-79446436448904869392013-01-13T10:06:59.644-08:002013-01-13T10:06:59.644-08:00Legal threats, really Doug? That's hardly scie...Legal threats, really Doug? That's hardly scientific.... I have every right to call you a crank and your so-called journal a vanity press. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-10947777101028295352013-01-13T09:00:04.664-08:002013-01-13T09:00:04.664-08:00Doug: Are you using two different last names?
Not...Doug: Are you using two different last names?<br /><br />Nothing is "proven" just because you say so. There are a lot of climate scientists who are very, very good at physics and have been doing it for a long time, looking at all the ideas and evidence. <br /><br />You offer bluster instead of evidence, which is the opposite of how science is done. <br /><br />You write, "This is now supported by 21st century empirical evidence." So give me one specific prediction that your theory makes, that the standard theory does not, that agrees with observational evidence. One. <br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-29856950761053671652013-01-13T00:53:59.567-08:002013-01-13T00:53:59.567-08:00I predict that there will in due course be class a...I predict that there will in due course be class action against the IPCC, which might well extend to websites like SkS, SoD and maybe yours, David. You tread risky ground. You may do well to remember that PSI has a lawyer as CEO and a Chairman, Dr Tim Ball who won the recent court cases against Micael Mann et al.<br /><br />If you can't use the concept of an isothermal atmosphere to explain the Venus pole temperatures, or find anyone who can (perhaps one of your readers here) then you need to consider the consequences. <br /><br />Doug Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564342660783793003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-84724602156027280752013-01-13T00:44:15.406-08:002013-01-13T00:44:15.406-08:00Furthermore, the assumption that there would have ...Furthermore, the assumption that there would have been an isothermal atmosphere in the absence of GHG was initially made as an assertive statement without any proof. There was neither a theoretical explanation as to how and why an entropy gradient would develop, rather than a thermal gradient, and there was no empirical evidence of isothermal conditions.<br /><br />In fact, Loschmidt had said a thermal gradient would develop back in the 19th century, because it is in fact very easy to demonstrate the reason as to why molecules gain or lose kinetic energy as they fall or rise in a gravitational field. It is very elementary Newtonian physics, completely overlooked by all those "peers" who rubber stamped the concept.<br /><br />It is actually they who should be put on trial for scientific fraud. Michael Mann could not produce any evidence in court, so we do in fact already have the courts ruling against the GHE.<br /><br />It's only a matter of time, Keep watching!<br /><br />PS I did not "form" Principia Scientific International. It was well underway before I joined as a member, and now has about 200 members who all realise that carbon dioxide has no effect on climate. You can easily see some of their biographies on the website under "About" / "Why is PSI a private assoc?".<br /><br />Doug Cotton<br />(sorry about the accidental use of old Henderson Google account)Doug Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564342660783793003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-53124220564621565122013-01-13T00:20:10.583-08:002013-01-13T00:20:10.583-08:00I have clearly demonstrated where the assumptions ...I have clearly demonstrated where the assumptions made by the IPCC & Co violate the laws of physics. This is now supported by 21st century empirical evidence. Hence their GHE conjecture is debunked with new evidence, as any "re-trial" would agree. So, no, it's not up to you to conduct the trial. But, it should be up to anyone who propagates what is now clearly shown to be false, to investigate the counter evidence and refrain from promoting pseudo science, even pending that re-trial for which the evidence already clearly indicates the outcome. there is, in fact, sufficient evidence to keep the "prisoner" incarcerated, pending trial. It is not appropriate to grant bail or act as if no new evidence has been forthcoming. So, as someone who promulgates what is now clearly false pseudo science, I suggest you need to consider your stance and the effects on developing countries whose humanitarian aid will be re-directed to carbon dioxide aid. Meanwhile you may be assured that I'm working on having a paper published in a journals which may surprise you, as well as further articles which will be read by tens of thousands. It's only a matter of time. The truth will prevail.<br /><br /><br /> Doug Hendersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18402239699600122336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-78551124537381100502013-01-12T22:17:50.244-08:002013-01-12T22:17:50.244-08:00The other thing is, it's not up to me to prove...The other thing is, it's not up to me to prove your ideas wrong, it's up to you to prove them right. What experiment or observation gives a result that you predict but which standard climate science does not (or predicts incorrectly)?David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-63606997274463917142013-01-12T22:14:34.083-08:002013-01-12T22:14:34.083-08:00It's not an appeal to authority, it's resp...It's not an appeal to authority, it's respect for the scientific process, for the methods science has used to get this far. I don't see any from you, just ridiculous claims that everyone but you is wrong (a classic sign of a crank). Until you take the risk of submitting your work in the real arena of science, and not a pretend corner you have set up in order to boast about your work, it isn't worth taking seriously. Bluster is not a substitute for standards. <br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-21671755224606069652013-01-12T21:47:04.593-08:002013-01-12T21:47:04.593-08:00Typical, typical. Appeal to "authority"...Typical, typical. Appeal to "authority" the issue being whether being reviewed by scientists who understand atmospheric physics (like those who have reviewed mine) or being rubber stamped by those who outright deny basic physics and, in so doing, very obviously imply the First Law of Thermodynamics can be violated, even though it has been proven that it can't be. If I had it I would offer a million dollars to anyone who could prove that a thermal gradient does not develop autonomously in still air in a gravitational field. You can't do that. So, instead of discussing the fact that you have posted incorrect physics, you appeal to authority to claim your pseudo physics to be true (and that energy can thus be created) and you will forever claim you are right, when over 800 experiments this century have proven you wrong. You have not a single experiment to back you up. Not a single one. I rest my case.Doug Hendersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18402239699600122336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-79704438620312403202013-01-12T19:03:12.905-08:002013-01-12T19:03:12.905-08:00Doug, I know you like to pretend that your manuscr...Doug, I know you like to pretend that your manuscripts are "proven" physics, but I consider them just vanity publications. <br /><br />Get them published somewhere real, then let me know. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-84546233655283803952013-01-12T18:38:28.775-08:002013-01-12T18:38:28.775-08:00"To be sure, there are assumptions made in th..."To be sure, there are assumptions made in this calculation, the major one" being that there would be an isothermal atmosphere, all at 255K. This is totally impossible because it assumes that, every time a molecule in its free path motion between impacts, retains the same kinetic energy, even though its potential energy changes. So those molecules which diffuse upwards would be creating energy. Your "model" completely disregards what is now proven physics, namely that a thermal gradient is autonomously generated in a still gas under the influence of a gravitational field. Evidence is cited in my "Planetary Surface Temperatures. A Discussion of Alternative Mechanisms." The gradient thus calculated using the assumption of isentropic conditions (which do not violate the extended form of The Second Law of Thermodynamics) is <i>-g/Cp</i> where <i>Cp</i> is mean specific heat. Thus it would lead to a higher surface temperature except for the fact that water vapour decreases the gradient.Doug Cottonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564342660783793003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-63521670969601963132013-01-12T18:35:56.965-08:002013-01-12T18:35:56.965-08:00"To be sure, there are assumptions made in th..."To be sure, there are assumptions made in this calculation, the major one" being that there would be an isothermal atmosphere, all at 255K. This is totally impossible because it assumes that, every time a molecule in its free path motion between impacts, retains the same kinetic energy, even though its potential energy changes. So those molecules which diffuse upwards would be creating energy. Your "model" completely disregards what is now proven physics, namely that a thermal gradient is autonomously generated in a still gas under the influence of a gravitational field. Evidence is cited in my "Planetary Surface Temperatures. A Discussion of Alternative Mechanisms." The gradient thus calculated using the assumption of isentropic conditions (which do not violate the extended form of The Second Law of Thermodynamics) is <i>-g/Cp</i> where <i>Cp</i> is mean specific heat. Thus it would lead to a higher surface temperature except for the fact that water vapour decreases the gradient.<br />Doug Hendersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18402239699600122336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-82578605183229891232012-04-06T13:30:18.812-07:002012-04-06T13:30:18.812-07:00"If you compare these predictions to the UAH ..."If you compare these predictions to the UAH global temperature average you will see the variance I was talking about earlier:<br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_March_2012.png "<br /><br />I see no such thing. All I see by way of explanation for your claim is Clive Best's post, which is frankly a freakin' embarrassment!Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06510687524626136184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-17942257681875611522012-04-06T05:26:12.864-07:002012-04-06T05:26:12.864-07:00It's not name calling (I really ought to paten...It's not name calling (I really ought to patent that response, it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo<br />oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo predictable), it is pointing out your tactic.<br /><br />See, the argument has been refuted over and over and over and over again, and denialists parrot it over and over and over and it was refuted but still gullibly parroted and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again vand gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again and gullibly parroted again and refuted again soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times that "arguing the science" is completely, utterly unnecessary. <br /><br />Reality: don't take it personally!<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-27118752931166499712012-04-05T21:29:36.223-07:002012-04-05T21:29:36.223-07:00bahamamamma said...
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Some awesome ingenu...bahamamamma said... <br />"...<br />Some awesome ingenuity is on display. Who would have thought that you could use circuit analysis software to mimic lunar surface temperature?"<br /><br />It's standard practive in electronic engineering. I have seen simulations of motor and drive system thermally modelled with the result used to predict how long maximum drive can be used.<br />Many thermal timeconstants, many heat sources, many heat sinks - no problem if you know what you are doing!thefordprefecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07210786222021457913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-55389232810788393522012-04-05T21:20:49.770-07:002012-04-05T21:20:49.770-07:00Joel and Dano,
Instead of arguing the science you...Joel and Dano,<br /><br />Instead of arguing the science you resort to name calling. This could be a teachable moment if you will take the time to look at some links. Personally, I like to form my opinion based on data that is available to the public and that is why I support David Appell's efforts to lift the IPCC's veil of secrecy.<br /><br />In the IPCC's AR4, the temperature forecast is in the "Summary for Policymakers" figure SPM.5 with the most likely scenarios being B1 or A1B.<br /><br />If you compare these predictions to the UAH global temperature average you will see the variance I was talking about earlier:<br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_March_2012.png<br /><br />You may think I am being unfair given that the AR4 is already five years old. If you want to know what the AR5 due to be published in September 2013 is likely to say you can start right here:<br />http://www.davidappell.com/AR5/<br /><br />The file you need is chapter 9. It may try your patience given that it has 137 pages. This time the appropriate model will be known as "rcp85" although it won't make much difference over the next 30 years if you focus on "rcp60".<br /><br />There is a fine website that will help you discover what these models show both in back casting and forecasting:<br />http://climexp.knmi.nl/selectfield_cmip5.cgi?id=rtisdale@snet.net<br /><br />I am still slogging though an analysis of AR5 so anything you can contribute will be appreciated.bahamamammahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798861211103459949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-40269642177021499992012-04-05T06:19:44.400-07:002012-04-05T06:19:44.400-07:00Joel, even worse it is almost direct parroting (pl...Joel, even worse it is almost direct parroting (plagiarism) of denialist "arguments" from the early 2000s. What rock did they find this moldy talking point under?<br /><br />Sheesh. It should be embarrassing if these DKE-sorts were capable of being embarrassed.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DDanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709762632849004871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-12576215277987808112012-04-05T05:22:04.295-07:002012-04-05T05:22:04.295-07:00Just so we are all on the same page to see where f...Just so we are all on the same page to see where fake-skeptics like bahamamamma get the nonsense that they peddle, here is where he got his 6 sigma figure: http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=3303<br /><br />This argument is so beyond stupid that it is a wonder how anyone with a modicum of common sense, even without statistical understanding, could believe it. But then, fake skeptics are remarkable for their lack of real skepticism.<br /><br />By Clive's argument, if we can measure the temperature to a precision of 1 F here in Rochester then a day where the temperature is 5 F above the normal for the date would correspond to a 5 sigma event and has a probability of occurring less than 1 time in a million!Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06510687524626136184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-23849437625807605402012-04-05T05:10:28.464-07:002012-04-05T05:10:28.464-07:00bahamamamma says: " If curve fitting is so...bahamamamma says: " If curve fitting is so easy, why can't the IPCC do it?"<br /><br />They could if they wanted to but they don't want to because they prefer science to pseudoscience. They would prefer to use physically-based models instead of empirical fits.<br /><br />"The IPCC (AR4) predictions of global temperature are about six standard deviations above UAH observations."<br /><br />This is just a falsehood you read on WUWT. it just shows that the person who wrote it is completely ignorant of statistics and you, who gullibly believed him, are no different!Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06510687524626136184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-25120532236550186922012-04-04T22:51:50.409-07:002012-04-04T22:51:50.409-07:00"But Tattersall's need to deny the greenh..."But Tattersall's need to deny the greenhouse effect...."<br /><br />David, enough of the straw man nonsense. Everyone agrees that adding an atmosphere to a planet or moon will raise the surface temperature. You can call that a "Greenhouse Effect" if you wish even though it is a misleading analogy.<br /><br />You appear to be one of the people drawn to the delusion that CO2 has a major influence on planetary surface whereas the evidence indicates that temperature drives CO2 concentration (at least on Earth).<br /><br />The delusion that CO2 drives climate grew out of James Hansen's belief that the high surface temperature of Venus is due to a "Runaway Greenhouse Effect". This theory is nonsense for Venus and even more ridiculous when applied to planet Earth.<br /><br />For a rational explanation of the surface temperature of Venus you should take a look at Carl Sagan's 1967 paper:<br />http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1967ApJ...149..731S<br /><br />Nikolov & Zeller have come up with a variant of Sagan's analysis using the surface radiation balance rather than the "Top of the Atmosphere" used by Sagan. As both approaches are based on sound physics you should not be surprised that they are in close agreement.bahamamammahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798861211103459949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-3753579571850901652012-04-04T22:22:38.680-07:002012-04-04T22:22:38.680-07:00Recently, the folks at Tallbloke are trying to mod...Recently, the folks at Tallbloke are trying to model the measurements of our moon's surface temperature made by the DIVINER project.<br /><br />Some awesome ingenuity is on display. Who would have thought that you could use circuit analysis software to mimic lunar surface temperature?<br />http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/a-model-of-lunar-temperature/<br /><br />It is wonderful to see amateurs trying to match theory to observation and sometimes doing better than the paid professionals.<br /><br />Lighten up and smell the roses!bahamamammahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798861211103459949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-76206904727490312122012-04-04T22:14:16.452-07:002012-04-04T22:14:16.452-07:00N&Z say that you can calculate planetary surfa...N&Z say that you can calculate planetary surface temperatures if you know the surface pressure and TSI.<br /><br />This is gob smacking. They imply that you can ignore Radiative Transfer Equations, gas composition, albedo, emissivity, the presence of vapors, ice caps, ocean currents and much more.<br /><br />It sounds totally crazy until you start comparing the N&Z theory with observations:<br />http://diggingintheclay.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/unified-theory-of-climate/<br /><br />You will note that N&Zs work has been dismissed by some as "curve fitting". If curve fitting is so easy, why can't the IPCC do it? <br /><br />The IPCC (AR4) predictions of global temperature are about six standard deviations above UAH observations. If I was a gambling momma I would bet that the deviation will be >8 sigma by the time the AR5 is published in September 2013.bahamamammahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798861211103459949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-56817942835758940802012-04-04T19:21:27.468-07:002012-04-04T19:21:27.468-07:00Neil,
Most terrestrial materials have emissivitie...Neil,<br /><br />Most terrestrial materials have emissivities pretty close to 1 in the relevant range (mid- to far-infrared) that the earth emits significantly in, so it is not a critical issue.<br /><br />Also, I see how one could read David's post as saying that the main objection that N&Z had is that it is too simplistic to think of the Earth as a blackbody. However, I think a better statement is that they just argued that one can't determine the average temperature from the S&B law using the average insolation received but must use the local insolation to get the local temperature and then take the average over the surface to get the average temperature.<br /><br />So, these are two opposite extremes: One assumes a totally uniform surface temperature and the other assumes as non-uniform a temperature as one could imagine having given the distribution of insolation on the surface.<br /><br />What N&Z are missing is that nobody ever claimed that the method that they were critiquing is an accurate method to get an average surface temperature on nearly airless bodies with significant variations in surface temperature. The 255 K value calculated using the average insolation is just an expression of what the maximum surface temperature can possibly be if the surface is restricted to emit the same amount of energy as the planet absorbs from the sun. For a planet with a significant atmosphere and significant thermal transport and thermal inertia, the temperature distribution is uniform enough that the calculation done using the average insolation is actually pretty close (within a few degrees) of what you'd get for the average taking the non-uniformity into account.Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06510687524626136184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-77134732298322547052012-04-04T13:17:46.726-07:002012-04-04T13:17:46.726-07:00Note also, I don't know how relevant to all th...Note also, I don't know how relevant to all this: bodies really aren't even "gray bodies" either, they have varying absorptivity (equals emissivity) over the spectrum. The radiation is based *per each little band of the spectrum.* (not widely disseminated.) Hence, an extreme example: a body that could stay purple when very hot, would glow green at 5500 K etc. because it would be darkest in the green. <br /><br />Instead, most things look about "typical" for BB when hot, but only because their absorption is rather uniform, altho metallurgists talk of interesting purplish shades in molten gold etc.<br /><br />Hence the coolest roof would be white all between say 300-1500 nm but be dark for longer than that. In any case re this particular debate, shouldn't such the details be included or approximated? Anyone know how much they matter? txNeil Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04564859009749481136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-58058472836784928012012-04-04T05:26:49.674-07:002012-04-04T05:26:49.674-07:00Actually, I don't even think this issue of the...Actually, I don't even think this issue of the average temperature is the worst of N&Z's problems. N&Z's calculation of the average temperature is at least more-or-less correct for some approximation that is probably not very realistic even for most airless bodies. Frankly, I think this whole argument about the temperature of the moon is mainly a distraction from the more significant scientific issues.<br /><br />Three worse problems with their work are:<br /><br />(1) They use this to make the claim that the actual temperature enhancement that has to be explained is ~133 K rather than ~ 33 K. But, in fact, there is no mystery there that needs to be explained except for the mathematically-inept. There are many temperature distributions with many different average temperatures that are all compatible with a blackbody emitting 240 W/m^2 (which is what the Earth has to emit as seen from space to be in radiative balance). Which one is actually realized depends on details like the body's thermal inertia, thermal transport, etc. However, none of these temperatures is higher than 255 K, which is what a body with a perfectly uniform temperature distribution has to have to emit 240 W/m^2. Nobody has successfully explained how one can satisfy conservation of energy if a planet is at an average temperature of ~288 K, emitting about 395 W/m^2, while the planet (including atmosphere) is only absorbing ~240 W/m^2 from the sun unless you invoke a radiative greenhouse effect. And, it is a fool's errand to try to do so because it is impossible.<br /><br />(2) In their paper, N&Z purport to show that the radiative greenhouse effect disappears from a simple model when one puts in convection. However, they have put convection in incorrectly: They have put it in so that it drives the temperature to be equal between the surface and the emitting level in the atmosphere. However, in reality, convection only drives the temperature difference down as far as the adiabatic lapse rate. It is no surprise that a difference in temperature between the surface and the emitting level is necessary to have a radiative greenhouse effect. For example, in Ray Pierrehumbert's textbook, he states on p. 148, "The key insight taken from this discussion is that the greenhouse effect only works to the extent that the atmosphere is colder at the radiating level than it is at the ground." You would think that N&Z would admit this error or at least try to defend what they did (impossible although that would be). Instead, they just continue to repeat the falsehood that putting convection into the models correctly causes the radiative greenhouse effect to go away.<br /><br />(3) They expect people to think it a "miracle" that they can get a good 4-parameter fit to 8 pieces of data, some of which are fairly trivial. (And, people who have looked at this more closely than I think that the goodness of fit may even be due to a certain amount of fitting the data to the model since there is significant argument about temperatures [and perhaps even pressures] of virtually airless planets and N&Z have never explained how they arrived at their data values.)Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06510687524626136184noreply@blogger.com