tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post7766172297973081377..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: 1972: Walter Cronkite Warns of a Coming Ice AgeDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-11632049282157146642016-06-08T13:45:26.916-07:002016-06-08T13:45:26.916-07:00So borrow it at your fucking library.
If you deci...So borrow it at your fucking library.<br /><br />If you decide what books to read based on stars on Amazon, you're an idiot.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-43793941916822867402016-06-08T13:17:42.164-07:002016-06-08T13:17:42.164-07:00Ah, it's a book. At Amazon UK it receives :-
...Ah, it's a book. At Amazon UK it receives :-<br />3 *****<br />2 **<br />1 *<br /><br />At Amazon USA it receives :-<br />46% *****<br />35% ****<br /> 8% ***<br /> 5% **<br /> 6% *<br /><br />Not good enough to warrant my buying it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-62281543210219786822016-06-07T20:48:02.280-07:002016-06-07T20:48:02.280-07:00Richard, so Google it. Richard, so Google it. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-11883122842740552182016-06-07T12:45:08.864-07:002016-06-07T12:45:08.864-07:00I get an 'Object not found' error.I get an 'Object not found' error.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-52850251962227407882016-06-07T08:24:09.318-07:002016-06-07T08:24:09.318-07:00Richard wrote:
"CO2 from fossil fuels, and th...Richard wrote:<br />"CO2 from fossil fuels, and the warmimg would continue for some time after fossil fuels are exhausted"<br /><br />Yes, but we now know warming is essentially forever.<br /><br />"The Long Thaw: How Humans Are Changing the Next 100,000 Years of Earth's Climate," David Archer (University of Chicago), 2008.<br />http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8719.html<br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-23463860037821886562016-06-06T18:53:44.890-07:002016-06-06T18:53:44.890-07:00My thoughts exactly - the media were wrong in that...My thoughts exactly - the media were wrong in that case. And Cronkite did not appear to be taking his own report seriously anyway.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-46097677182786354222016-06-04T13:32:01.089-07:002016-06-04T13:32:01.089-07:00Sorry - that should be 'reduction / abandonmen...Sorry - that should be 'reduction / abandonment of fossil fuel use'Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-56227584365541424002016-06-04T13:30:13.002-07:002016-06-04T13:30:13.002-07:00CO2 from fossil fuels, and the warmimg would conti...CO2 from fossil fuels, and the warmimg would continue for some time after fossil fuels are exhausted - he did not consider voluntary reduction / abandonment of fossil fuels.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-71338040763500021232016-06-04T11:42:18.440-07:002016-06-04T11:42:18.440-07:00Thanks Richard. What reason did Lamb give for cent...Thanks Richard. What reason did Lamb give for century-scale warming? Anthro GHGs?David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-90317338368037960262016-06-04T04:24:40.324-07:002016-06-04T04:24:40.324-07:00In his 1977 book "Climate: Present, Past and ...In his 1977 book "Climate: Present, Past and Future" (2 volumes) Lamb predicted cooling on the time scale of years, warming on the scale of centuries, and an ice age on the scale of millennia. The IPCC used his 1965 graph of Central England Temperature in its 1990 report.<br /><br />As you indicate, it was Cronkite that was wrong, not Lamb. We still use the Lamb Weather Types today.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08853654751482692260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-67725053619368299262016-06-03T08:10:06.674-07:002016-06-03T08:10:06.674-07:00You might find this fun: in 1969 Daniel Patrick Mo...You might find this fun: in 1969 Daniel Patrick Moynihan, then an aide to President Nixon, warned that we needed a monitoring system of CO2 for fears of global warming:<br /><br />http://www.newser.com/story/94582/as-nixon-aide-moynihan-warned-of-climate-change-in-69.html<br /><br />A report to the Johnson administration warned of CO2-caused global warming in 1965:<br /><br />“Restoring the Quality of Our Environment,” Report of the Environmental Pollution Panel, President’s Science Advisory Committee (1965), pp. 111-133.<br />http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira%20downloads/PSAC,%201965,%20Restoring%20the%20Quality%20of%20Our%20Environment.pdf<br /><br />Looks like Cronkite didn't do his homework.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-7766670177243191802016-06-03T08:07:28.495-07:002016-06-03T08:07:28.495-07:00As always, David, you're absolutely wrong. But...As always, David, you're absolutely wrong. But at least you're reliable.<br /><br />Scientists weren't wrong in 1972. Cronkite reported on *ONE* scientist, Lamb. Lamb was wrong. <br /><br />A literature survey of that time found there was no cooling consensus:<br /><br />"The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus," W. Peterson et al, Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 89, 1325–1337, 2008<br />http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1<br /><br />In fact, by 1965 plenty of scientists had already been warning about global warming from the buildup of greenhouse gases, and by the late '60s climate models were calculating the warming expected from CO2. List of some papers and reports here: <br /><br />http://www.davidappell.com/EarlyClimateScience.html<br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-48605022963390559742016-06-03T08:04:32.011-07:002016-06-03T08:04:32.011-07:00David -- it is honorable of you to point out that ...David -- it is honorable of you to point out that scientists (more precisely, <i>some</i> scientists) were wrong about climate in 1972. That leads to the possibility that scientists might not be right today. <br /><br />I'm not sure what it proves, but John Holdren, the President's science advisor, was a zealous supporter of the global cooling risk back in 1972. He's now a zealous supporter of the global warming risk.<br /><br />CheersDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-1210372592374897572016-06-02T19:47:27.655-07:002016-06-02T19:47:27.655-07:00that was weirdthat was weirdtonylearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15168161576867493109noreply@blogger.com