tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post8123170239234979126..comments2024-03-19T07:10:27.303-07:00Comments on Quark Soup by David Appell: Ted Cruz: Your "18 Years" of No Satellite Warming is in Mortal DangerDavid Appellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-21848320058493088302016-01-31T14:21:54.722-08:002016-01-31T14:21:54.722-08:00Thanks Jos.
I think that if RSS & UAH don'...Thanks Jos.<br /><br />I think that if RSS & UAH don't set records in 2016, or don't at least come close to doing so, something will be seriously wrong in their models. In that case, I expect that people are going to lose a lot of confidence they're at all accurate in calculating atmospheric temperatures.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-46257783752874656892016-01-31T12:54:23.427-08:002016-01-31T12:54:23.427-08:00Thanks for your answer David.
It's clear what...Thanks for your answer David. <br />It's clear what you did now and I get the same graph using slope * interval.<br /><br />The effect of an El Nino is later and stronger in the satellite datasets than in the surface temperature datasets, see this explanation of Geert Jan van Oldenborgh (climate scientist at the Dutch KNMI):<br />http://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/expectations-for-2016-global-temperatures/#comment-630934<br />Or there's something wrong with the satellite corrections (drift etc.). We will see the coming months.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611257436369300684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-90656419020341500392016-01-28T22:18:37.879-08:002016-01-28T22:18:37.879-08:00Jos: I too am looking forward to seeing what the ....Jos: I too am looking forward to seeing what the ....contrarians... come up with when the LT "pause" disappears.<br /><br />As this post shows, there is plenty of room to be creative while appearing scientific!<br /><br />http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/27/final-2015-statistics-now-includes-december-data/David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-78454733611289093832016-01-28T22:15:50.973-08:002016-01-28T22:15:50.973-08:00Jos: Sorry for the delay getting back to you.
I p...Jos: Sorry for the delay getting back to you.<br /><br />I plotted warming from any and all points in the past. By "warming" I mean<br /><br />linear slope * time interval<br /><br />That's a common usage. It's not perfect -- it's only as good as the linear fit is, of course. Not sure what else to do. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-41350973289216859572016-01-21T14:55:30.431-08:002016-01-21T14:55:30.431-08:00I have a small question about your graph, what did...I have a small question about your graph, what did you plot? Is it the trend in °C/decade from the year on the x-axis up to now or is it something else? This because the trend from 1992 up to now is about +0.11 °C/decade for UAH 6.0 beta 4 and in your graph the y-value of 1992 about 0.3.<br /><br />This so-called "pause" will indeed disappear in the UAH TLT data, when my calculation is correct it will happen when the T of February is 0.53 °C or larger. About the same as your 0.51 °C. For RSS it will take some more months. <br />It will be interesting what the cherry-pickers will come up with when this happens: <i>"The pause has shortened to less than a month!"</i>. They are creative though.<br /><br />Regards, JosAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16611257436369300684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-39458861017400652672016-01-20T08:53:32.431-08:002016-01-20T08:53:32.431-08:00David wrote: "Show me the IPCC's result f...David wrote: "Show me the IPCC's result for 18 years, and compare it to actuality."<br /><br />The GCM trend and the satellite trend are statistically identical.<br /><br />DiC's statement about "The failure of IPCC's predictions so far" is not supported by the data.Layzejhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346550512734519728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-36879014943979848312016-01-19T18:09:39.902-08:002016-01-19T18:09:39.902-08:00David in Cal wrote:
"The IPCC didn't pred...David in Cal wrote:<br />"The IPCC didn't predict an 18-year period of little warming in the troposphere."<br /><br />What a stupid comment.<br /><br />Climate models do not predict the short-term evolution of climate. Climate models CANNOT predict the short-term evolution of climate, even in principle. <br /><br />Climate models do not start from a known initial state. You don't understand the mathematics of what this means. <br /><br />You, David, are a first class denier -- you misunderstand the science, and then try to use that misunderstanding to find fault with the science. <br /><br />It is stupidity at its best.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-16523633215063219062016-01-19T18:06:22.753-08:002016-01-19T18:06:22.753-08:00David in Cal wrote:
"A scientific theory tend...David in Cal wrote:<br />"A scientific theory tends to get validated by making predictions that come true, especially unexpected predictions."<br /><br />Climate models, or any climate calculation, cannot predict anything about the future, ON PRINCIPLE.<br /><br />Until you understand this, you understand nothing. I've explained why before. But your preconceived notions are controlling you. I'm not going to repeat myself again. <br />David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-27489082118697486832016-01-15T10:34:47.223-08:002016-01-15T10:34:47.223-08:00David, we've been through this, and I know you...David, we've been through this, and I know you don't agree with me. It's certainly conceivable that the rate of warming will rise and that the by year 2100 there will have been 3 or 4 or 5 degrees of warming. <br /><br />"It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future." (attributed to Niels Bohr and to Yogi Berra) A scientific theory tends to get validated by making predictions that come true, especially unexpected predictions. The IPCC didn't predict an 18-year period of little warming in the troposphere. On the contrary, they predicted a fairly rapid rate of growth on the surface and a faster rate of warming in the troposphere. IPCC 4 had 2 degrees C as the bottom of their likely range of sensitivity. They reduced it 1.5 in IPCC5 because there was less warming than they expected. <br /><br />Th failure of IPCC's predictions <i>so far</i> doesn't mean they're wrong, but it reduces my confidence in the IPCC. That's it.<br /><br />Enjoy your vacation from blogging.<br /><br />cheersDavid in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-38795108090478356842016-01-14T21:27:02.476-08:002016-01-14T21:27:02.476-08:00David in Cal wrote:
"Example 2. No satellite ...David in Cal wrote:<br />"Example 2. No satellite warming for 18 years, so the IPCC results are questionable. RIGHT"<br /><br />Prove it. <br /><br />Show me the IPCC's result for 18 years, and compare it to actuality. David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28837843.post-48241722943322948642016-01-14T21:23:59.528-08:002016-01-14T21:23:59.528-08:00Cherry-picking may or may not be a problem, depend...Cherry-picking may or may not be a problem, depending on what conclusion one draws from the data.<br />Example 1. <i>No satellite warming for 18 years, so there's no global warming.</i> WRONG<br />Example 2. <i>No satellite warming for 18 years, so the IPCC results are questionable.</i> RIGHT<br /><br />Monckton slyly points out the fact of the 18-year satellite pattern without saying what he thinks it means. IMHO that's sneaky. He invites his readers to draw an invalid conclusion without saying something that's invalid.<br /><br />BTW most commenters on all sides routinely cherry-pick data. E.g., when someone points out that 2015 is the warmest year or that current sea surface temperatures are at a record high, that's also cherry picking. However, I see no problem with that sort of cherry-picking as long as it's used only to conclude that the earth is warming. If either of those facts were used to estimate the long-term rate of warming, that would be wrong IMHO.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.com