DiC: a couple of points. Firstly,the tweet you linked to was by someone who hired a far right activist who attended the unite the right rally in Charlottesville where one of the other far right wing demonstrators drove his car into a crowd killing one and seriously injuring others. Secondly, given that I'm not sure how credible your sources are {not for the first time), have you any evidence that this incident really happened or has not been exaggerated? I've searched Google and I can only find a small amount of fairly obsure websites reporting it. Also if she was really attacked without physical provaction then that just means that a couple of the marchers were "POS". It doesn't mean that "Liberals can't help being POS" On the other hand the fact that the President keeps inciting violence at his rallies and on his twitter feed suggests that the people who enthusiastically support him are not nice people. It's not surprising there is so much confrontation at the moment when the man at the top promotes such division.
Entropic Man - I agree with you about American politicians. I think they do more harm than good. I vote Republican because Republicans generally want government to do less, which means less damage.
J.D. I've searched Google and I can only find a small amount of fairly obsure websites reporting it.
In that same riot, Antifa people attacked a black conservative and knocked out his front tooth. Here's a link from a local SF station. https://abc7news.com/society/tensions-rise-after-free-speech-rally-turns-violent-in-sf/7104894/ You can see the attack on a video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2sdZxSBhzI
You mentioned that reporting was sparse. Now, the Antifa people are all or mostly white. Why isn't this big national news? If a mob of white conservatives attacked a black man and knocked out a tooth, that WOULD be national news.
DiC: almost every time I fact check your posts I find errors or exaggerations. This is no huge surprise given the sources you use which are tailored towards those seeking validation for their right wing views. You really need to be more skeptical and double check your sources whilst bearing in mind what Richard Feynman's advice, “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool".
That applies to all of us not just you. Anyway I'm not quite sure what you were referring to when you said it was the same "riot". It was a different event in a different part of the country. Also it was announced in advance that the attendees would be members of the far right including some of those who attended the Charlottesville march where one person was murdered and several seriously injured. This is Newsweek reporting the SF event,
Among the crowd at the rally were those linked to far-right groups such as the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer, as well as people who attended the deadly "Unite the Right" white supremacist march in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017.
It gets worse though. It turns out that the man who had his teeth knocked out was not just a "conservative" as per your description, he is a self proclaimed member of the proud boys. Not only that there is video of him before the event saying,
All we’re going to be doing now is beating the living shit out of all the people trying to stop us.”
So I think you will agree this is not quite what you described. The counterprotesters had turned up because they knew that groups including neo nazis were coming to their area looking for trouble.
J.D. - Would you please provide your sources? The video at this link seems to show Antifa making an unprovoked attack on this black man. https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/10/18/antifa-knocks-out-black-mans-teeth-for-holding-free-speech-rally-while-calling-him-n-word/?fbclid=IwAR0K-bXN2QszPxJ6kqXoomXoOpEuvsrL_2xnSfLiJqrBBwMzUy2uluIeecw
DiC: I didn't say he wasn't attacked I was just adding missing context to your post. He's a proud boys member who was threatening violence on Twitter in the days before the protest. This link quotes his tweet. His Twitter account is now banned. https://sfbayca.com/2020/10/18/volatile-backdrop-sets-stage-for-violent-counterprotest-in-sf-free-speech-rally/
I have no problem with condemning violence on all sides but I wonder if your Breitbart link points out that he's a proud boys member threatening violence before the protest had even started.
DiC: Yes it said that in my linked article. I'm glad they've arrested him as he had clearly committed a crime.
That doesn't alter what I posted above though and I'm surprised at your article calling the member of the proud boys a conservative with no mention of the far right. Also they quote him as saying why did twitter ban me when I'm the innocent party but that's not relevant. They more than likely banned him for using their platform to incite violence and organize far right rallies.
J.D. - What's the difference between "conservative" and "far right"? In what way are the Proud Boys far right?
How many Americans know the following difference: The Proud Boys advocate defensive violence. That is, violence used to defend against violence initiated by others. ANTIFA advocates initiating violence, and they do initiate a lot of violence.
The fact that this Proud Boys leader is black shows that the Proud Boys are not racist. How many Americans know this?
David, I am not satisfied. This incident was reported in local media. I want to see it reported nationally. I think it would be if a conservative had attacked a black liberal like this. I want to see the Proud Boys not tarred as racists or as people who seek to initiate violence.
DiC: So you are happy to defend and make excuses for a neo nazi group? Even after I quoted his tweet where he was talking about organizing a rally which would include other far right groups that included people who attended the unite the right rally in Charlottesville and where he talked about beating the living shit out of people. You are happy to think of them as fellow conservatives like yourself? This is their Wikipedia page which links to supporting articles, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys As for Antifa I think I've quoted this to you before from their Wikipedia page,
Several analyses, reports and studies concluded that antifa is not a domestic or major terrorism risk and ranked far-right extremism and white supremacy as the top risk.[33][44][45] A June 2020 study[46] of 893 terrorism incidents in the United States since 1994 found no murder that was specifically attributed to anti-fascists or antifa while 329 deaths were attributed to right-wing perpetrators.
I will condemn anyone who advocates or commits violent acts. I'm happy to see Trump evicted through democratic means even though the system is biased in favour of Republicans and they are perfectly happy to use undemocratic tactics to reduce the ability of minorities to vote.
Liberals can't help being POS
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David in Cal
ReplyDeleteI thought distance lent enchantment to the view. Watching US politicians makes UK politicians look good, an achievement I had thought impossible.
An alarming proportion of American politicians seem to be copralites, fossilized pieces of shit.
Why do you vote for them?
DiC: a couple of points. Firstly,the tweet you linked to was by someone who hired a far right activist who attended the unite the right rally in Charlottesville where one of the other far right wing demonstrators drove his car into a crowd killing one and seriously injuring others.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, given that I'm not sure how credible your sources are {not for the first time), have you any evidence that this incident really happened or has not been exaggerated? I've searched Google and I can only find a small amount of fairly obsure websites reporting it.
Also if she was really attacked without physical provaction then that just means that a couple of the marchers were "POS". It doesn't mean that "Liberals can't help being POS"
On the other hand the fact that the President keeps inciting violence at his rallies and on his twitter feed suggests that the people who enthusiastically support him are not nice people. It's not surprising there is so much confrontation at the moment when the man at the top promotes such division.
Entropic Man - I agree with you about American politicians. I think they do more harm than good. I vote Republican because Republicans generally want government to do less, which means less damage.
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J.D. wrote that just means that a couple of the marchers were "POS". It doesn't mean that "Liberals can't help being POS"
ReplyDeleteExactly right. And, by the same token, the offensive speech by a Republican mentioned by David doesn't indict all Republicans.
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J.D. I've searched Google and I can only find a small amount of fairly obsure websites reporting it.
ReplyDeleteIn that same riot, Antifa people attacked a black conservative and knocked out his front tooth. Here's a link from a local SF station. https://abc7news.com/society/tensions-rise-after-free-speech-rally-turns-violent-in-sf/7104894/ You can see the attack on a video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2sdZxSBhzI
You mentioned that reporting was sparse. Now, the Antifa people are all or mostly white. Why isn't this big national news? If a mob of white conservatives attacked a black man and knocked out a tooth, that WOULD be national news.
Cheers
DiC: almost every time I fact check your posts I find errors or exaggerations. This is no huge surprise given the sources you use which are tailored towards those seeking validation for their right wing views. You really need to be more skeptical and double check your sources whilst bearing in mind what Richard Feynman's advice,
ReplyDelete“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool".
That applies to all of us not just you. Anyway I'm not quite sure what you were referring to when you said it was the same "riot". It was a different event in a different part of the country. Also it was announced in advance that the attendees would be members of the far right including some of those who attended the Charlottesville march where one person was murdered and several seriously injured. This is Newsweek reporting the SF event,
Among the crowd at the rally were those linked to far-right groups such as the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer, as well as people who attended the deadly "Unite the Right" white supremacist march in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017.
It gets worse though. It turns out that the man who had his teeth knocked out was not just a "conservative" as per your description, he is a self proclaimed member of the proud boys. Not only that there is video of him before the event saying,
All we’re going to be doing now is beating the living shit out of all the people trying to stop us.”
So I think you will agree this is not quite what you described. The counterprotesters had turned up because they knew that groups including neo nazis were coming to their area looking for trouble.
I wonder if anyone lost any teeth in the car attack in Charlottesville?
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I know someone did lose their life. That's a little worse than losing a tooth.
J.D. - Would you please provide your sources? The video at this link seems to show Antifa making an unprovoked attack on this black man.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/10/18/antifa-knocks-out-black-mans-teeth-for-holding-free-speech-rally-while-calling-him-n-word/?fbclid=IwAR0K-bXN2QszPxJ6kqXoomXoOpEuvsrL_2xnSfLiJqrBBwMzUy2uluIeecw
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DiC: I didn't say he wasn't attacked I was just adding missing context to your post. He's a proud boys member who was threatening violence on Twitter in the days before the protest. This link quotes his tweet. His Twitter account is now banned. https://sfbayca.com/2020/10/18/volatile-backdrop-sets-stage-for-violent-counterprotest-in-sf-free-speech-rally/
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with condemning violence on all sides but I wonder if your Breitbart link points out that he's a proud boys member threatening violence before the protest had even started.
J.D. - here's an update
ReplyDeleteBLM activist charged with hate crime over assault of black conservative in San Francisco
https://thepostmillennial.com/blm-activist-charged-with-hate-crime-over-assault-of-black-conservative-in-san-francisco
DiC: Yes it said that in my linked article. I'm glad they've arrested him as he had clearly committed a crime.
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't alter what I posted above though and I'm surprised at your article calling the member of the proud boys a conservative with no mention of the far right. Also they quote him as saying why did twitter ban me when I'm the innocent party but that's not relevant. They more than likely banned him for using their platform to incite violence and organize far right rallies.
J.D. - What's the difference between "conservative" and "far right"? In what way are the Proud Boys far right?
ReplyDeleteHow many Americans know the following difference: The Proud Boys advocate defensive violence. That is, violence used to defend against violence initiated by others. ANTIFA advocates initiating violence, and they do initiate a lot of violence.
The fact that this Proud Boys leader is black shows that the Proud Boys are not racist. How many Americans know this?
David, I am not satisfied. This incident was reported in local media. I want to see it reported nationally. I think it would be if a conservative had attacked a black liberal like this. I want to see the Proud Boys not tarred as racists or as people who seek to initiate violence.
Cheers
Following up on words vs. actions.
ReplyDeleteMaryland man charged for allegedly firing shotgun at Trump supporters
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/521822-maryland-man-charged-with-firing-gun-at-trump-supporters
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David, this article has a video of a Proud Boi saying there will be a civil war if Trump isn't reelected:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-trump-civil-war-qanon-1538208
Defensive?
David, the national news isn't going to cover some guy getting his tooth knocked out. It happens a hundred times a day in bars all across America.
ReplyDeleteI hope he picked it up and put it under his pillow at night.
DiC: So you are happy to defend and make excuses for a neo nazi group? Even after I quoted his tweet where he was talking about organizing a rally which would include other far right groups that included people who attended the unite the right rally in Charlottesville and where he talked about beating the living shit out of people. You are happy to think of them as fellow conservatives like yourself?
ReplyDeleteThis is their Wikipedia page which links to supporting articles,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
As for Antifa I think I've quoted this to you before from their Wikipedia page,
Several analyses, reports and studies concluded that antifa is not a domestic or major terrorism risk and ranked far-right extremism and white supremacy as the top risk.[33][44][45] A June 2020 study[46] of 893 terrorism incidents in the United States since 1994 found no murder that was specifically attributed to anti-fascists or antifa while 329 deaths were attributed to right-wing perpetrators.
I will condemn anyone who advocates or commits violent acts. I'm happy to see Trump evicted through democratic means even though the system is biased in favour of Republicans and they are perfectly happy to use undemocratic tactics to reduce the ability of minorities to vote.